President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Northwestcoug]

Should've seen that pardon coming a mile away. They've been quite the soulmates for a while:

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[Commando]

Arpaio is a giant piece of shit. Birds of a feather.

[Applejack]

Why would they care if the government has their information? Nothing can be done to them unless they broke the law.

Aren't you a fan of limited government?

[cowboy]

Aren't you a fan of limited government?

Aren't many of his critics advocates for big government?

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[Applejack]

Aren't many of his critics advocates for big government?

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Haha. Yes, good point. No one can object to government intrusions on privacy if they have voted Democrat in the past. Good point.

[cowboy]

Haha. Yes, good point. No one can object to government intrusions on privacy if they have voted Democrat in the past. Good point.

That's not my point, but since you went there, what on earth makes you think this is an intrusion on privacy?.

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[myboynoah]

C'mon cowboy, that's a pretty scary thing for the Justice Dept to be doing (unless every protester is suspected of committing a crime).

[Applejack]

That's not my point, but since you went there, what on earth makes you think this is an intrusion on privacy?.

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A government request for personal info about individuals that accessed a website? Doesn't that sound like privacy to you?

Honestly, I'm truly confused now.

[cowboy]

A government request for personal info about individuals that accessed a website? Doesn't that sound like privacy to you?

Honestly, I'm truly confused now.

Now we're full circle. What are they afraid the government is going to do with it if they haven't broken the law?

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[wuapinmon]

Now we're full circle. What are they afraid the government is going to do with it if they haven't broken the law?

Not breaking the law isn't why we have a right to privacy. Does the government have a compelling interest to know that information? The Constitution was written to require the government to show that it does in order to obtain this kind of thing. Come on!

[Clark Addison]

Now we're full circle. What are they afraid the government is going to do with it if they haven't broken the law?

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Jeez Cowboy, wuap once said that you and Katy were the two smartest people on CS. Then Katy started dissing my Maps and Geography thread, and now you are all "I don't see how the government compiling enemies lists could be a problem". Please tell me you are trying to make a point here so I don't start losing faith in wuap's judgement! I don't know what I will have left without that faith.

[creekster]

Not breaking the law isn't why we have a right to privacy. Does the government have a compelling interest to know that information? The Constitution was written to require the government to show that it does in order to obtain this kind of thing. Come on!

Not really. There is no right to privacy in the constitution, except for one implied by the courts.

That said, I think it is very disturbing that they sought that information precisely BECAUSE no crime was committed or suspected. The govt should keep out of my business unless there is some very good reason. And visiting a site that is engaging in anti-government but legal political activity should, standing alone, never justify being forced to identify yourself. It's like the government collecting names and addresses at an anti-trump rally. Completely improper.

[creekster]

Now we're full circle. What are they afraid the government is going to do with it if they haven't broken the law?

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I respect your opinion and typically I agree with you fully, but the logic of your position here eludes me.

[cowboy]

Not breaking the law isn't why we have a right to privacy. Does the government have a compelling interest to know that information? The Constitution was written to require the government to show that it does in order to obtain this kind of thing. Come on!

At what point have they violated privacy? Is it when they find out who organized the rally? What about just going to the rally and seeing who the leaders/participants are? Is that wrong, too?

[creekster]

President Trump: Making America Great Again...

At what point have they violated privacy? Is it when they find out who organized the rally? What about just going to the rally and seeing who the leaders/participants are? Is that wrong, too?

That is not an apt analogy. As I understand it, They were trying to force a third party to provide identifying information that is not otherwise available to the public. Being present at a public gathering is not the same.