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Aha... Thanks, BP."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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I watched it (the 20 minute version, not sure if there is another longer one). I will be honest that my first thought was "man, both sides are acting like idiots here." But then I didn't want to be associated with Trump, so I held back on voicing that opinion here.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostCome on, folks. Let's stop with this false equivalency stuff.
For those of you with HBO/HBO Now, be sure to check out the recent Vice News bit on Charlottesville. Really well done. They mostly just let the cameras roll and it is mesmerizing.
Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
Dig your own grave, and save!
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GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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If you listen carefully to Trump's words, he actually tried to put the white nationalists on a higher level then the other side by claiming that they were there legally and the counter protesters were "illegal" because they didn't have a permit. Whether he planned to make that argument or not, it clearly revealed where his sympathies really are, especially when considering he was also contradicting his prepared statement from the day before.
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Does Trump ever listen to his advisors? He has them, I presume.Originally posted by BlueK View PostIf you listen carefully to Trump's words, he actually tried to put the white nationalists on a higher level then the other side by claiming that they were there legally and the counter protesters were "illegal" because they didn't have a permit. Whether he planned to make that argument or not, it clearly revealed where his sympathies really are, especially when considering he was also contradicting his prepared statement from the day before.
Trump is an idiot - he's proven that over and over again.
But it's just weird how much of a train wreck all of his comments, tweets, etc., are. I find myself asking if there is anyone - ANYONE -in the White House that is telling him "that's a bad idea" when he presents his ideas. Or if others are playing puppet master and suggesting some of what is being said. Or if he has dumb things to say, and they all just nod their heads and say "Yeah! Go with that!"
How deep does the imbecility run?
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You should watch the video showing Gen. Kelly's face when Trump was off the rails during the press conference.Originally posted by Eddie View PostDoes Trump ever listen to his advisors? He has them, I presume.
Trump is an idiot - he's proven that over and over again.
But it's just weird how much of a train wreck all of his comments, tweets, etc., are. I find myself asking if there is anyone - ANYONE -in the White House that is telling him "that's a bad idea" when he presents his ideas. Or if others are playing puppet master and suggesting some of what is being said. Or if he has dumb things to say, and they all just nod their heads and say "Yeah! Go with that!"
How deep does the imbecility run?
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Here is a link to the full SO. Poverty Center report.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostWhen the monuments were built:
Jim Crow is generally considered to have started in 1890.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ce-civil-righ/
https://www.splcenter.org/sites/defa...itage_splc.pdfPLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Thanks.Originally posted by creekster View PostHere is a link to the full SO. Poverty Center report.
https://www.splcenter.org/sites/defa...itage_splc.pdf
Very interesting. A secondary spike during the civil rights movement."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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The counter protestors had permits too. The left is not responsible for the altright. Excessive and ridiculous SJWs are not responsible the popularity of fascism. It's a convenient excuse for people to display their inherent racism under the guise of sticking it political correctness.Originally posted by BlueK View PostIf you listen carefully to Trump's words, he actually tried to put the white nationalists on a higher level then the other side by claiming that they were there legally and the counter protesters were "illegal" because they didn't have a permit. Whether he planned to make that argument or not, it clearly revealed where his sympathies really are, especially when considering he was also contradicting his prepared statement from the day before.
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Interesting attack ad on Trump
A top Democratic group is running a chilling ad linking Trump to white supremacists - Business Insider
https://apple.news/AZfJidHyESO-ofGTIbm17jw
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A Trump voter admits he made a huge mistake.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/o...regret-it.html
"during the events in Charlottesville this past weekend, only one side — a deranged white nationalist — was responsible for killing anyone. To equivocate about this fact is the height of irresponsibility. Even those concerned about the overzealous enforcement of political correctness can hardly think that apologizing for neo-Nazis is a sensible alternative.
Those of us who supported Mr. Trump were never so naïve as to expect that he would transform himself into a model of presidential decorum upon taking office. But our calculation was that a few cringe-inducing tweets were an acceptable trade-off for a successful governing agenda.
Yet after more than 200 days in office, Mr. Trump’s behavior grows only more reprehensible. Meanwhile, his administration has no significant legislative accomplishments — and no apparent plan to deliver any....the administration has committed too many unforced errors and deserves most of the blame for its failures. Far from making the transformative “deals” he promised voters, his only talent appears to be creating grotesque media frenzies — just as all his critics said.""There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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From the same article. This is good.
For months, despite increasing chaos and incoherence, I have given Mr. Trump the benefit of the doubt: “No, I don’t really think he is a racist,” I have told skeptical audiences. “Yes, he says some stupid things, but none of it really matters; he’s not really that incompetent.” Or: “They’ve made some mistakes, but it’s still early.”
It’s no longer early. Not only has the president failed to make the course corrections necessary to save his administration, but his increasingly appalling conduct will continue to repel anyone who might once have been inclined to work with him.
From the very start of his run, one of the most serious charges against Mr. Trump was that he panders to racists. Many of his supporters, myself included, managed to convince ourselves that his more outrageous comments — such as the Judge Gonzalo Curiel controversy or his initial hesitance to disavow David Duke’s endorsement — were merely Bidenesque gaffes committed during the heat of a campaign.
It is now clear that we were deluding ourselves. Either Mr. Trump is genuinely sympathetic to the David Duke types, or he is so obtuse as to be utterly incapable of learning from his worst mistakes. Either way, he continues to prove his harshest critics right.
Mr. Trump once boasted that he could shoot someone in the street and not lose voters. Well, someone was just killed in the street by a white supremacist in Charlottesville. His refusal this weekend to specifically and immediately denounce the groups responsible for this intolerable violence was both morally disgusting and monumentally stupid. In this, Mr. Trump failed perhaps the easiest imaginable test of presidential leadership. Rather than advance a vision of national unity that he claims to represent, his indefensible equivocation can only inflame the most vicious forces of division within our country."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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I think he's doing his duty and taking this seriously. I wonder why you are so entrenched in your view that it's all a big nothingburger.Originally posted by creekster View Post
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