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  • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    The Nation recently added an Editor's Note to the article:

    DNC doubling down; they may yet turn into this decade's 9/11 truth nutters.
    More on this... seems to describe frank perfectly:

    Nobody is saying that the article or the analysts it cites present incontrovertible proof that the DNC “hack” wasn’t a hack at all, but an internal leak. Rather, the article presents evidence and argumentation for why at least entertaining the plausibility of that theory is warranted.

    [...]

    The DNC, in its petulant little statement, demands that all responsible citizens meekly concur with what “U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded,” even in the absence of tangible evidence. To the contrary, responsible citizens ought to do exactly the opposite. And the fact that it’s left to Trump and his most ardent supporters to raise concerns about the Intelligence Community’s fidelity to truth is a very sad commentary on how far evidentiary standards have sunk, how short the establishment’s memories are, and how easy it is to swindle Sober and Serious elites into joining a collective frenzy — no matter how destructive the potential consequences.

    The real reason why the DNC would be so up-in-arms about this story is that it appearing in The Nation means it can’t be immediately dismissed as right-wing agitprop, which is the most convenient way nowadays to discount facts you don’t like. Portray any line of inquiry as “pro-Trump” and it can be summarily discredited without further contemplation by everyone in right-thinking society. The Nation, to its great credit, publishing stories skeptical of the predominant Russia alarmist narrative complicates the ability of partisan DNC apparatchiks to denigrate any countervailing opinion on this topic as somehow inherently Trumpist — and the DNC unsurprisingly takes umbrage.

    The DNC also engages in the classic, time-honored tactic of baselessly accusing anyone who presents inconvenient arguments or evidence of being a “conspiracy theorist,” as a means of not addressing their points on the merits.
    Last edited by Walter Sobchak; 08-12-2017, 11:44 PM.
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    • When Does a Fringe Movement Stop Being Fringe?

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...remacy/536673/


      "Ever since the alt-right leader Richard Spencer first led groups of protesters in Emancipation Park against the prospective removal of the Lee statue, outlets have adopted his “white nationalist” label—one often used by members of his particular portion of the alt-right movement as a way to avoid the negative connotations of “white supremacist”—as a descriptor for the protests.

      But the protesters, which now boast the which now boast the endorsement of Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke and the participation of Klansmen and Neo-Nazis—some armed and chanting “Jews will not replace us”—appear to be exactly the kind of mob that the term “white supremacist” evokes in its most commonly used connotation."
      Last edited by frank ryan; 08-13-2017, 06:47 AM.

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      • "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
        The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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          • trump condemning the violence that occurred "on many sides"
            Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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            • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
              trump condemning the violence that occurred "on many sides"
              Yeah- can you imagine how long it's going to take those nazis to buff those scuffs, dents, and teeth marks out of their sports cars? #neverforget
              "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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              • Our president, who can't be bothered to denounce Nazis (when is it ever a bad political idea to diss Nazis?!?), opens both barrels when the real threats emerge. He went after Merck's CEO after he resigned from the president's advisory council:



                Classy as always.
                "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                - SeattleUte

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                • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                  Our president, who can't be bothered to denounce Nazis (when is it ever a bad political idea to diss Nazis?!?), opens both barrels when the real threats emerge. He went after Merck's CEO after he resigned from the president's advisory council:



                  Classy as always.
                  Putin and Nazis are 2 groups he will never criticize. Good job Trump voters! He's so much better than Killary!

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                  • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                    Putin and Nazis are 2 groups he will never criticize. Good job Trump voters! He's so much better than Killary!
                    I thought Trump's statement was severely lacking in condemnation. Still, what you just posted is pure hyperbole. Are the black helicopters circling overhead?

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                    • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                      I thought Trump's statement was severely lacking in condemnation. Still, what you just posted is pure hyperbole. Are the black helicopters circling overhead?
                      I'm pretty sure th helicopters would be white


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                      • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                        I'm pretty sure th helicopters would be white


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                        Is white the color of the helicopters in the cobwebs of Frank's mind?

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                        • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                          I thought Trump's statement was severely lacking in condemnation. Still, what you just posted is pure hyperbole. Are the black helicopters circling overhead?
                          Always tickles me when Trump fans complain about hyperbole.
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                          • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                            I thought Trump's statement was severely lacking in condemnation. Still, what you just posted is pure hyperbole. Are the black helicopters circling overhead?
                            The buzz right now is that there will be an unscheduled press conference today. You may just your wish of Trump trying to save face with a stern denouncement of Nazis.
                            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                            - SeattleUte

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                            • So, obviously the events in Virginia are horrifying. Pence's statement was much closer to what you want to hear from the President in the wake of this kind of violence than Trump's silly statement. Hopefully the nazi driving the Dukes of Hazzard car and anyone who may have helped him never get out of prison.

                              After those disclaimers, does anyone know how big the rally and counter protests were? I'm reading everywhere this morning and no one seems to report that. Pictures I have seen seem to show a few hundred nazis with a smaller number of counter protesters. As horrible as the events are and as disgusting as the original planned rally was, I think the scale of the participation is important to know (if possible). I want to believe this is still a very small group of idiots who feels emboldened under the current political climate.

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                              • "many sides.... many sides...."


                                Still can't get over that.
                                "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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