President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Uncle Ted]

It seems that the dems have taken over the former republican role of being the obstructionists in congress...

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Too bad the dems don't have the numbers to keep the government from doing anything stupid like when the roles were reversed.

[PaloAltoCougar]

A little confused. I agree each side makes polarizing arguments which worsens the problem. True Trump feeds off the conflict which is unfortunate. Do those on the other side also feed off the conflict? I don't think it is helpful to call those who have a different opinion racists and biggots. Those are nasty accusations and would stoke someones fire.

The answer to your question is yes, of course, for many of them. But Trump is the guy in charge and thus in a position to seek consensus and resolution. Obama certainly wasn't very successful in this regard; no one has been since, gulp, Clinton. But rather than take a Lincolnesque Team of Rivals approach, Trump/Bannon seem hell bent on doing the opposite and fomenting discord. Bannon says stuff like, "“I’m a Leninist. Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment." “Darkness is good. Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That’s power. It only helps us when ‘they’ get it wrong. When ‘they’re’ blind to who we are and what we’re doing.” He's tried to walk back some of these statements, but I'm not buying it, any more than I buy Trump's claim of being the the greatest whatever [Christian, supporter of women, pro-lifer, wordsmith, etc.].

[Soccermom]

The answer to your question is yes, of course, for many of them. But Trump is the guy in charge and thus in a position to seek consensus and resolution. Obama certainly wasn't very successful in this regard; no one has been since, gulp, Clinton. But rather than take a Lincolnesque Team of Rivals approach, Trump/Bannon seem hell bent on doing the opposite and fomenting discord. Bannon says stuff like, "“I’m a Leninist. Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment." “Darkness is good. Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That’s power. It only helps us when ‘they’ get it wrong. When ‘they’re’ blind to who we are and what we’re doing.” He's tried to walk back some of these statements, but I'm not buying it, any more than I buy Trump's claim of being the the greatest whatever [Christian, supporter of women, pro-lifer, wordsmith, etc.].

Do you have an actual source for that Bannon quote? I haven't found one. Bannon said he didn't recall saying that in an interview and I would love to see a direct source on that quote.

[BlueK]

Do you have an actual source for that Bannon quote? I haven't found one. Bannon said he didn't recall saying that in an interview and I would love to see a direct source on that quote.

It looks like the worst of it he reserves for interviews.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/u...ords.html?_r=0

[PaloAltoCougar]

Do you have an actual source for that Bannon quote? I haven't found one. Bannon said he didn't recall saying that in an interview and I would love to see a direct source on that quote.

Which one? I did a mash-up of 2-3 different quotes from a variety of sources. Here's one reference to the Leninist quote which, as the author says, Bannon has since denied. But there are a variety of sources for the Darkness is Good quote. They're certainly consistent with his radio host persona.

[Soccermom]

Which one? I did a mash-up of 2-3 different quotes from a variety of sources. Here's one reference to the Leninist quote which, as the author says, Bannon has since denied. But there are a variety of sources for the Darkness is Good quote. They're certainly consistent with his radio host persona.

Yeah I have been trying to find a source on the Lenin quote that he denied. He scares me more than Trump by a mile.

[byu71]

That wasn't CNN. That was my commentary on the article, and I was going off of old information. Sorry about that.

But tell me why from the article I shouldn't be concerned. I'm not trying to argue. I think the Conway quote is pretty scary.

I am very concerned about Trump. I think he has numerous character flaws. I am not in the he is Hitler, Stalin or a White Supremisit camp.

I am also concerned about the misinformation and slant our supposed news media throws out.

I like the people he has chosen for the cabinet. I like the SCOTUS appointment. Hopefully all these capable people keep him in line or quit and he has to resign in disgrace.

[Soccermom]

It looks like the worst of it he reserves for interviews.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/u...ords.html?_r=0

Thanks. Convenient that he can later deny it.

I lean conservative. I used to enjoy Breitbart news as a balancing source before Andrew Breitbart passed away. Sadly, Breitbart is now all the things that annoy me about some of the left leaning publications.

[BlueK]

Yeah I have been trying to find a source on the Lenin quote that he denied. He scares me more than Trump by a mile.

Trump is putting him at the top of the national security council. Again, just like in the article I referenced, this is a position where Bannon has no accountability to anyone else other than Trump.

[byu71]

The answer to your question is yes, of course, for many of them. But Trump is the guy in charge and thus in a position to seek consensus and resolution. Obama certainly wasn't very successful in this regard; no one has been since, gulp, Clinton. But rather than take a Lincolnesque Team of Rivals approach, Trump/Bannon seem hell bent on doing the opposite and fomenting discord. Bannon says stuff like, "“I’m a Leninist. Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment." “Darkness is good. Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That’s power. It only helps us when ‘they’ get it wrong. When ‘they’re’ blind to who we are and what we’re doing.” He's tried to walk back some of these statements, but I'm not buying it, any more than I buy Trump's claim of being the the greatest whatever [Christian, supporter of women, pro-lifer, wordsmith, etc.].

Holy crud, that is spooky. Why would people who I consider good people not tell Trump "I won't work for you if that guy does".

I read the NYT article. I know I will catch flack for this, but I wouldn't trust anything the NYT says especially when they quote a "writer" from the daily beast. If someone wants to take what they say at face value, I won't argue, but they have misled far to many times for me to accept something they say about someone they hate. I have seen them spin and lie to often.

That said, I have seen actual footage or tape of some of the things said and yes, he is way out there.

[SCcoug]

Someone better make sure he knows that this is just a parliamentary rule change and not ICBMs.

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[BlueK]

That said, I have seen actual footage or tape of some of the things said and yes, he is way out there.

How are the "out there" statements you have heard yourself not consistent with or different than what you read in the article? Steve Bannon doesn't seem to be the type to hide what he thinks, but I suppose there's a chance he's not as radical as portrayed. To me he's like the Michael Moore of the extreme right.

[imanihonjin]

Trump is putting him at the top of the national security council. Again, just like in the article I referenced, this is a position where Bannon has no accountability to anyone else other than Trump.

Honest question: What are you so worried about? Even in the position that Bannon is in, he doesn't have any direct power or authority to actually do anything more than act as an advisor.

[byu71]

How are the "out there" statements you have heard yourself not consistent with or different than what you read in the article? Steve Bannon doesn't seem to be the type to hide what he thinks, but I suppose there's a chance he's not as radical as portrayed. To me he's like the Michael Moore of the extreme right.

the only one I am not convinced of is the Lenin one about destroying everything unless he is just overly dramatic and basically means shake up the establishment. If he put it that way and not the Lenin, then I could believe it and in some ways agree. Look what the establishment dems. repubs and press has brought us too.

The dark stuff and and the things about women again could be for effect, but if you want to govern a people you shouldn't be saying outlandish things for effect.

Again though during this farce of an election I have heard things that make me just shake my head from the Trumpees the far left and the media. Just the other day they quoted Ari Fleischer (sp) criticizing Trump. I think it was on nightline. They took his quote out of context by not including all of what he said. When you read the whole quote you get a much different picture.

It is a mess right now and I am not comfortable with the situation.

[BlueK]

Honest question: What are you so worried about? Even in the position that Bannon is in, he doesn't have any direct power or authority to actually do anything more than act as an advisor.

Bad advice given to the president isn't just trivial. That said, Trump seems to be building an alternate network of unofficial advisors that conceivably could make it easier for him to ignore the official ones that have to be approved by the senate. He can also give direct orders to lower level officials and circumvent the heads of those agencies, if he wanted to. This is the environment it seems he is setting up. That's troubling to me.