President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[myboynoah]

Interesting to scroll through.

From ‘It’s going to disappear’
to ‘WE WILL WIN THIS WAR’

[myboynoah]

Uh oh, someone at FOX gonna lose their job.

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I love the host's silence at the end, like she'd never encountered such a contrarian view.

[wapiti]

Uh oh, someone at FOX gonna lose their job.

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I love the host's silence at the end, like she'd never encountered such a contrarian view.

And yet SK did it without full economic shutdown. We need to get smart about this in the next 15 days so we can get things rolling again.

[Walter Sobchak]

And yet SK did it without full economic shutdown. We need to get smart about this in the next 15 days so we can get things rolling again.

Agree, we know this strain of flu is deadly to the elderly by orders of magnitude, which is quite unlike the Spanish Flu. In Italy, the mean age of the deceased for COVID-19 positive patients is 78 years. Only 100 (as of 3/30) of the 10,000+ deaths in Italy were under the age of 50. This thing doesn't kill young people. Like SU has said, quarantine the oldies, the fatties, and those with pre-existing complicating pathologies and let the rest of us go about our normal lives. This "everyone just stay home" is unsustainable, and like you say, just not smart.

(Source: https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronav..._marzo_eng.pdf)

[Omaha 680]

Uh oh, someone at FOX gonna lose their job.

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I love the host's silence at the end, like she'd never encountered such a contrarian view.

I agree with his point on our testing failures here, but he is also engaging in some revisionist history like a lot of people now. The december 31 WHO communication said nothing about human to human transmission. On the contrary, they relied on chinese disinformation that the outbreak would be contained and ignored Taiwan's warnings about possible human to human transmission. WHO didnt raise the alarm until almost a month later when China was preparing to weld people inside their buildings in Wuhan. Am I wrong on that timeline?

[Donuthole]

I agree with his point on our testing failures here, but he is also engaging in some revisionist history like a lot of people now. The december 31 WHO communication said nothing about human to human transmission. On the contrary, they relied on chinese disinformation that the outbreak would be contained and ignored Taiwan's warnings about possible human to human transmission. WHO didnt raise the alarm until almost a month later when China was preparing to weld people inside their buildings in Wuhan. Am I wrong on that timeline?

Yeah, there is plenty of true information to show that Trump dropped the ball here. No need to make up facts to make the case seem even stronger. This is where the libs just can't help themselves; they always have to embellish just a bit to make Trump seem just a bit worse than he actually is. And in doing so, they always give camp Trump ammunition to fight back and create some truth to his constant bleating about fake news.

[Northwestcoug]

Agree, we know this strain of flu is deadly to the elderly by orders of magnitude, which is quite unlike the Spanish Flu. In Italy, the mean age of the deceased for COVID-19 positive patients is 78 years. Only 100 (as of 3/30) of the 10,000+ deaths in Italy were under the age of 50. This thing doesn't kill young people. Like SU has said, quarantine the oldies, the fatties, and those with pre-existing complicating pathologies and let the rest of us go about our normal lives. This "everyone just stay home" is unsustainable, and like you say, just not smart.

(Source: https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronav..._marzo_eng.pdf)

In other words, let them die. Who’s going to take care of them?

The west coast is doing a decent job controlling the rate of viral spread. I wonder what they were doing before most of the other states...

[Northwestcoug]

I agree with his point on our testing failures here, but he is also engaging in some revisionist history like a lot of people now. The december 31 WHO communication said nothing about human to human transmission. On the contrary, they relied on chinese disinformation that the outbreak would be contained and ignored Taiwan's warnings about possible human to human transmission. WHO didnt raise the alarm until almost a month later when China was preparing to weld people inside their buildings in Wuhan. Am I wrong on that timeline?

That was very strongly implied, if not explicitly stated.

At the close of 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of a pneumonia of unknown cause, detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market.

If people are claiming that human-human transmission wasn't suspected very early on, that is very disingenuous.

[Northwestcoug]

Uh oh, someone at FOX gonna lose their job.

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I love the host's silence at the end, like she'd never encountered such a contrarian view.

This is a welcome development, but he is absolutely right that the Abbott analyzer is not a game changer for the US population. It's good for small clinics that are testing a patient at a time. What the US needs is widespread availability to a platform that can test multiple specimens simultaneously. Our hospital system is hopefully getting something similar next week. We'll be able to test ~300 specimens/day, which for our rural area is OK. But for any large urban area, you need a platform with a much bigger testing capacity.

[Uncle Ted]

I agree with his point on our testing failures here, but he is also engaging in some revisionist history like a lot of people now. The december 31 WHO CHO communication said nothing about human to human transmission. On the contrary, they relied on chinese disinformation that the outbreak would be contained and ignored Taiwan's warnings about possible human to human transmission. WHO CHO didnt raise the alarm until almost a month later when China was preparing to weld people inside their buildings in Wuhan. Am I wrong on that timeline?

FIFY...

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[Omaha 680]

That was very strongly implied, if not explicitly stated.



If people are claiming that human-human transmission wasn't suspected very early on, that is very disingenuous.

Not disingenuous at all, just taking WHO at their word. Ted's post in the coronavirus thread:

#ChinaAsshole


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/coro...edly-says.html

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Like DH said, there is plenty of dropping of the ball by trump after it became clear china was lying and the WHO was incompetent. No need to revise history to say everyone was warned at the outset.

[Northwestcoug]

Not disingenuous at all, just taking WHO at their word. Ted's post in the coronavirus thread:



Like DH said, there is plenty of dropping of the ball by trump after it became clear china was lying and the WHO was incompetent. No need to revise history to say everyone was warned at the outset.

My bad. I didn't see that tweet. That does....not look good for the WHO. I wasn't implying that you were disingenuous, BTW.

I quoted from The WHO December 31st communique. The word pneumonia usually implies the potential for human-human spread.

[Walter Sobchak]

In other words, let them die. Who’s going to take care of them?

What on earth are you talking about? The same way we are taking care of them now... with great care. Don't be obtuse.

[Northwestcoug]

What on earth are you talking about? The same way we are taking care of them now... with great care. Don't be obtuse.

Those people who are taking care of them are benefitting from a general shelter in place edict. The more people who shelter in place, the less opportunity the virus has to infect those caregivers. You let everyone go on as before, right in the middle of a huge viral prevalence, the caregivers will also get infected. Before they have symptoms they will be infecting all those quarantined people.

This isn't theorizing or just our best guess. This has happened in multiple care centers all over the world. The virus finds a way to get into those populations you want to quarantine. And it wrecks havoc. The only and best option we have right now is to play the numbers game. The less people who get infected, the less infirm get it in the end.

[Northwestcoug]

Agree, we know this strain of flu is deadly to the elderly by orders of magnitude, which is quite unlike the Spanish Flu. In Italy, the mean age of the deceased for COVID-19 positive patients is 78 years. Only 100 (as of 3/30) of the 10,000+ deaths in Italy were under the age of 50. This thing doesn't kill young people. Like SU has said, quarantine the oldies, the fatties, and those with pre-existing complicating pathologies and let the rest of us go about our normal lives. This "everyone just stay home" is unsustainable, and like you say, just not smart.

(Source: https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronav..._marzo_eng.pdf)

We do have some updated US information. Ages 40-59 account for 22% of Louisiana's COVID deaths. In Georgia, it's 17%. And if you are quoting European data, 12% of COVID deaths in Spain have been under 70.

It's clear the Southern states are going to have a harder time with COVID; they are just less healthy than the rest of the US. But even those who aren't lucky enough to live in the PNW, let's take an informal quiz. How many people here are less than 60? Anyone with diabetes? How about high blood pressure? Asthma? Any who have a history of cancer? Obese? Guess what:

Just over half of those at higher risk of developing a serious illness are ages 65 and older (55.2% or 51.1 million adults); however, the remaining 41.4 million adults ages 18-64 are at risk due to an underlying medical condition.

https://www.kff.org/global-health-po...h-coronavirus/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...people/609241/

You can lambaste certain populations (or even the US in general) for being unhealthy. But if you're strongly advocating putting the people 'at risk' in quarantine, you better be prepared to take a lot more out of the healthy population than I assume you're proposing.