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[Uncle Ted]

Savior no more? Distraught Dems turn on Mueller after stumbling hearing

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[SeattleUte]

Right, they said “endeavor” is broader than “attempt” in that statue (meaning, it takes less to “endeavor” to obstruct than to “attempt” to obstruct).


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The Supreme Court doesn’t mean that endeavor is a lower standard than attempt. Indeed, attempt is a very general term can mean almost anything. This is the DOJ’s gloss, but look at the examples. There were specific undertakings that were demonstrably corrupt, like bribes. Did any of that sort of thing happen here; bribes, etc.?

[Uncle Ted]

Disaster? Even if the fines and penalties against Manafort and others (which exceed the cost of the investigation) are never collected, the cost to each US taxpayer is less than a quarter.

Can I get my quarter back? Especially for the money spent on volume 2 of the report...

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Vol 1 - Let's investigate this Russian collusion that the Dems claim gave Drumpf the win, the entire reason for this special council! Obama, Clinton, Clapper, etc. all told us there was lots of Russian collusion with the Drumpf compaign. Oh sh*t, there was no Russian collusion...

Vol 2 - OK, keep digging, dammit! Drumpf has to be guilty of something. Yeah, let's burn all that money the DoJ got from Manafort. There is nothing more important that money could be used for! "But Shouldn't we look into that BS Steele dossier and how the Dems paid an unregistered foreign agent to fabricate dirt on Drumpf?" No, dammit but get Peter Strzok reassigned before his text messages with his mistress DoJ lawyer become public. That sh*t will expose us as being biased. So what can we possibly charge Drumpf with? Come on, you guys, you have to have something!

[UVACoug]

The Supreme Court doesn’t mean that endeavor is a lower standard than attempt. Indeed, attempt is a very general term can mean almost anything. This is the DOJ’s gloss, but look at the examples. There were specific undertakings that were demonstrably corrupt, like bribes. Did any of that sort of thing happen here; bribes, etc.?

Federal courts have expressly said the term "endeavor" in the obstruction statute is broader than the term "attempt." What do you think they meant by that?

https://books.google.com/books?id=BQ...ttempt&f=false

Edit: I originally said the Supreme Court interpreted "endeavor" that way. I may have been wrong. It appears that's how lower circuit courts have interpreted it.

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[tooblue]

Can I get my quarter back? Especially for the money spent on volume 2 of the report...

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Vol 1 - Let's investigate this Russian collusion that the Dems claim gave Drumpf the win, the entire reason for this special council! Obama, Clinton, Clapper, etc. all told us there was lots of Russian collusion with the Drumpf compaign. Oh sh*t, there was no Russian collusion...

Vol 2 - OK, keep digging, dammit! Drumpf has to be guilty of something. Yeah, let's burn all that money the DoJ got from Manafort. There is nothing more important that money could be used for! "But Shouldn't we look into that BS Steele dossier and how the Dems paid an unregistered foreign agent to fabricate dirt on Drumpf?" No, dammit but get Peter Strzok reassigned before his text messages with his mistress DoJ lawyer become public. That sh*t will expose us as being biased. So what can we possibly charge Drumpf with? Come on, you guys, you have to have something!

Ratcliffe killed it in his job interview for that White House post!

[SeattleUte]

The Supreme Court expressly said the term "endeavor" in the obstruction statute is broader than the term "attempt." What do you think they meant by that?

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I think as it meant, as it said, an actual “effort” “to accomplish the evil purpose.”

[UVACoug]

I think as it meant, as it said, an actual “effort” “to accomplish the evil purpose.”

That's not responsive to my question.

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[SeattleUte]

That's not responsive to my question.

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First, I’m actually quoting the Supreme Court opinion. You’re quoting the DOJ website. I don’t see “broader” in the quotation from the Supreme Court. Nevertheless, the Supreme Court’s “effort to accomplish the evil purpose” formulation, you seem to recognize, is more than, a more rigorous standard, than “attempt.” Effort is not synonymous with attempt in common English usage. That should end our debate.

As for what is meant on that website by “broader”, it seems to be saying that “attempt” is a word that actually appears in other criminal statutes and is a defined term that opinions have dealt with, and the Supreme Court didn’t want those definitions and opinions to confuse the meaning of this statute. The Court wanted to get out from under those definitions and opinions.

[Uncle Ted]

Ratcliffe killed it in his job interview for that White House post!

Yeah, who is Spartacus now, Cory Booker?

[frank ryan]

I was under the impression that Pelosi made the pivot to defeat Trump in the election some time ago. I guess she felt the need to give the stragglers their day in court.

For right or wrong, that's exactly Pelosi's opinion:

Pelosi Rejected Nadler Plea to Launch Impeachment After Mueller Testimony: Politico

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pelosi...imony-politico

[Eddie]

...Trump assures us the economy has never been stronger, but he still running massive deficits, adding another trillion to the national debt this year, with even greater deficits looming if he follows through on his cool new Space Force. May I rely on your assurances that this is no cause for concern?

Trump is used to "investing" in cool expensive stuff, and if it doesn't work out you can always declare bankruptcy and just not pay it back. I'm not sure he understands that the federal government doesn't exactly work that way - though I'm sure he also understands that he himself will never be held accountable for the debt.

The meme Ted is using implies black men are primitive: simple, unintelligent, under developed; belonging to a preliterate, non-industrial society. Now, referring to the Web pages for the museum, that is a stereotype that has been perpetuated in North American culture.

I know I'm probably a racist too - but I got the impression that the meme Ted used wasn't about Black men. It was about that particular politician being "simple, unintelligent, under developed...etc."

Again - I know I'm probably racist. At least, I figure someone is going to tell me I am and I just don't know that there is any effective defense once that claim has been brought up. But if we really are getting to a place that you can't criticize or call people dumb if they are a minority because it's racist...well...that's just sad.

[Eddie]

For right or wrong, that's exactly Pelosi's opinion:

Pelosi Rejected Nadler Plea to Launch Impeachment After Mueller Testimony: Politico

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pelosi...imony-politico

Without having read the article - so maybe this is what it says...

There was a political commentator on the radio this morning talking about Mueller's testimony and what comes next. When asked about impeachment, the response was that Nancy isn't going to touch that with a 10 ft pole until/unless there is huge bi-partisan support. So locals can take the info from the Mueller testimony and report and try to drum up that support. But until/unless it happens, she sees impeachment as a political briar patch that would do more damage to the Dems next election than good.

[Uncle Ted]

For right or wrong, that's exactly Pelosi's opinion:

Pelosi Rejected Nadler Plea to Launch Impeachment After Mueller Testimony: Politico

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pelosi...imony-politico

What is wrong with Pelosi? We want Pence as our president! AOC and the Squad needs to oust her butt!

[tooblue]

I know I'm probably a racist too - but I got the impression that the meme Ted used wasn't about Black men. It was about that particular politician being "simple, unintelligent, under developed...etc."

Again - I know I'm probably racist. At least, I figure someone is going to tell me I am and I just don't know that there is any effective defense once that claim has been brought up. But if we really are getting to a place that you can't criticize or call people dumb if they are a minority because it's racist...well...that's just sad.

I didn't call Ted a racist. I stated he is using a racist meme.

You can call any body dumb, regardless their race etc. But that meme is racist precisely because it perpetuates a demeaning stereotype that has existed in western culture for a very long time.

Are we really getting to a place where people can't discern that a visual no matter how well intended, or despite its humorous intent perpetuates a demeaning stereotype?

[Uncle Ted]

I know I'm probably a racist too - but I got the impression that the meme Ted used wasn't about Black men. It was about that particular politician being "simple, unintelligent, under developed...etc."

Again - I know I'm probably racist. At least, I figure someone is going to tell me I am and I just don't know that there is any effective defense once that claim has been brought up. But if we really are getting to a place that you can't criticize or call people dumb if they are a minority because it's racist...well...that's just sad.

I'm probably a racist. I believe that the whitey should pay reparations to the decedents of the Native Americans and then get the hell off our lands!