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  • SteelBlue
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 8192

    #18601
    Originally posted by Shaka View Post

    Answer the question.
    It wasn’t directed at me. Just letting you know what you sound like.

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    • frank ryan
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 12453

      #18602
      Originally posted by Moliere View Post

      I tend to agree with this. I'd prefer the temp protected status immigrants to continue to be able to live in the US. That would include refugees from Haiti or other places that truly are threatening to normal, everyday citizens. However, that's not the case for all immigrants. I find it odd that immigrants from Venezuela travel through stable countries and end up in the US. If they truly are refugees, why not stay in Costa Rica? Trying to make a better life in the US is very different than being a refugee seeking asylum.

      But let's just remember that there were at least 10 million entries into the US over the past four years. The southern border was a sieve and the Democrats did absolutely nothing to stop it until the election year. It boggles my mind that a lot of Democrats are just like "well yeah, let's just leave the southern border wide open for anyone to pass through anywhere and at anytime." That isn't a winning strategy and is one of the reasons they lost so bad last year. Neither party really wants actual border/immigration reform and unfortunately the Trump default stance is probably the more tenable over the open-border Democrat stance.
      Costa Rica is tiny, and doesn't have the labor needs we do. Additionally, I'd imagine a lot of the Hatian immigrants didn't sneak in at the US border. You really have to view MAGA and Stephen Miller through this lens that they want to keep out black and brown people. They let those Afrikaaners in even though they don't face near the problems as Venezuela and Haitians. This is all about "the great replacement theory."

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      • Shaka
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 10462

        #18603
        Originally posted by SteelBlue View Post

        It wasn’t directed at me. Just letting you know what you sound like.
        I'm not worried about it.

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        • Northwestcoug
          Cocked and Loaded
          • May 2011
          • 18102

          #18604
          In the generation or two that it will take for the great rebirth of American manufacturing to happen, there’s going to be a lot of rust belt cities that will pine for the days of TPS immigrants not being so T. Even those who eat geese and house pets.
          "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
          "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
          - SeattleUte

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          • chrisrenrut
            Strikes and Gutters
            • Jul 2009
            • 2319

            #18605
            Originally posted by Moliere View Post

            I tend to agree with this. I'd prefer the temp protected status immigrants to continue to be able to live in the US. That would include refugees from Haiti or other places that truly are threatening to normal, everyday citizens. However, that's not the case for all immigrants. I find it odd that immigrants from Venezuela travel through stable countries and end up in the US. If they truly are refugees, why not stay in Costa Rica? Trying to make a better life in the US is very different than being a refugee seeking asylum.

            But let's just remember that there were at least 10 million entries into the US over the past four years. The southern border was a sieve and the Democrats did absolutely nothing to stop it until the election year. It boggles my mind that a lot of Democrats are just like "well yeah, let's just leave the southern border wide open for anyone to pass through anywhere and at anytime." That isn't a winning strategy and is one of the reasons they lost so bad last year. Neither party really wants actual border/immigration reform and unfortunately the Trump default stance is probably the more tenable over the open-border Democrat stance.
            Other than the bipartisan bill that was proposed that Trump killed so he could keep immigration as a key election issue.

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            • frank ryan
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 12453

              #18606
              Originally posted by Moliere View Post

              I tend to agree with this. I'd prefer the temp protected status immigrants to continue to be able to live in the US. That would include refugees from Haiti or other places that truly are threatening to normal, everyday citizens. However, that's not the case for all immigrants. I find it odd that immigrants from Venezuela travel through stable countries and end up in the US. If they truly are refugees, why not stay in Costa Rica? Trying to make a better life in the US is very different than being a refugee seeking asylum.

              But let's just remember that there were at least 10 million entries into the US over the past four years. The southern border was a sieve and the Democrats did absolutely nothing to stop it until the election year. It boggles my mind that a lot of Democrats are just like "well yeah, let's just leave the southern border wide open for anyone to pass through anywhere and at anytime." That isn't a winning strategy and is one of the reasons they lost so bad last year. Neither party really wants actual border/immigration reform and unfortunately the Trump default stance is probably the more tenable over the open-border Democrat stance.
              Saying the democrats did nothing isn't very fair. They tried to and Trump killed.

              You realize some of the hysteria about the border is manufactured and MAGA is anti-immigration, illegal or legal.

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              • Moliere
                One man.....one pie
                • Oct 2009
                • 27927

                #18607
                Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                Saying the democrats did nothing isn't very fair. They tried to and Trump killed.

                You realize some of the hysteria about the border is manufactured and MAGA is anti-immigration, illegal or legal.
                Biden took action on the border without needing congress. It just happened to be an election year. The GOP is just as bad in shooting down the bipartisan bill.
                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                • frank ryan
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 12453

                  #18608
                  Originally posted by Moliere View Post

                  Biden took action on the border without needing congress. It just happened to be an election year. The GOP is just as bad in shooting down the bipartisan bill.
                  The GOP is worse. They didn't want resolution on the issue so they could use to get elected

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                  • Donuthole
                    Official Outgayer
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 25304

                    #18609
                    Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                    The GOP is worse. They didn't want resolution on the issue so they could use to get elected
                    Even worse, the GOP wanted and had reached resolution on the issue until Trump told them they shouldn't for strategic purposes.
                    Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                    There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                    • Maximus
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 6045

                      #18610
                      denatrualization push begins

                      Denaturalization is a tactic heavily used during the McCarthy era and one that was expanded during the Obama administration and grew further during President Trump's first term. It's a tool usually used in only the most serious and rare of cases: dealing with Nazis or war criminals.


                      The Trump administration has codified its efforts to strip some Americans of their US citizenship in a recently published justice department memo that directs attorneys to prioritize denaturalization for naturalized citizens who commit certain crimes. The memo, published on 11 June, calls on attorneys in the department to institute civil proceedings to revoke a person’s United States citizenship if an individual either “illegally procured” naturalization or procured naturalization by “concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation”. At the center of the move are the estimated 25 million US citizens who immigrated to the country after being born abroad, according to data from 2023 – and it lists 10 different priority categories for denaturalization.

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                      • frank ryan
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 12453

                        #18611
                        Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                        denatrualization push begins

                        Denaturalization is a tactic heavily used during the McCarthy era and one that was expanded during the Obama administration and grew further during President Trump's first term. It's a tool usually used in only the most serious and rare of cases: dealing with Nazis or war criminals.

                        Man, a lot of people dismissed the idea that this could happen. The MAGA march to power has been filled with people accusing Trump critics of overreacting

                        He is doing the things talked about Projects 2025

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                        • beefytee
                          Board eye candy
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 7542

                          #18612
                          Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                          denatrualization push begins

                          Denaturalization is a tactic heavily used during the McCarthy era and one that was expanded during the Obama administration and grew further during President Trump's first term. It's a tool usually used in only the most serious and rare of cases: dealing with Nazis or war criminals.

                          Am I mis-reading that quote? Are they removing citizenship from people who got it illegally or through deceit? Hasn't the government always tried to do that?

                          Why should anyone have a problem with that? And yes, I am a naturalized US citizen, but nothing illegal or misrepresented there.

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                          • Maximus
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 6045

                            #18613
                            Originally posted by beefytee View Post

                            Am I mis-reading that quote? Are they removing citizenship from people who got it illegally or through deceit? Hasn't the government always tried to do that?

                            Why should anyone have a problem with that? And yes, I am a naturalized US citizen, but nothing illegal or misrepresented there.
                            they are increasing categories and trying to find loopholes and situations ot do it more. I mean it is stephen miller.

                            I mean what are the chances theres a bunch of citizens who lied on paper work vs made a irrelevantg mistake and they will get thrown out

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                            • Moliere
                              One man.....one pie
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 27927

                              #18614
                              Originally posted by beefytee View Post

                              Am I mis-reading that quote? Are they removing citizenship from people who got it illegally or through deceit? Hasn't the government always tried to do that?

                              Why should anyone have a problem with that? And yes, I am a naturalized US citizen, but nothing illegal or misrepresented there.
                              It’s a problem because it’s in Project 2025!
                              "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                              • Maximus
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 6045

                                #18615
                                Originally posted by Moliere View Post

                                I tend to agree with this. I'd prefer the temp protected status immigrants to continue to be able to live in the US. That would include refugees from Haiti or other places that truly are threatening to normal, everyday citizens. However, that's not the case for all immigrants. I find it odd that immigrants from Venezuela travel through stable countries and end up in the US. If they truly are refugees, why not stay in Costa Rica? Trying to make a better life in the US is very different than being a refugee seeking asylum.

                                But let's just remember that there were at least 10 million entries into the US over the past four years. The southern border was a sieve and the Democrats did absolutely nothing to stop it until the election year. It boggles my mind that a lot of Democrats are just like "well yeah, let's just leave the southern border wide open for anyone to pass through anywhere and at anytime." That isn't a winning strategy and is one of the reasons they lost so bad last year. Neither party really wants actual border/immigration reform and unfortunately the Trump default stance is probably the more tenable over the open-border Democrat stance.
                                cmon bro

                                lets stop pretending biden had an open border. he was deporting at an extremely normal pace, he just isnt targeting people who have been here for 20-30 years with no criminal record

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