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  • Trump is considering a travel ban for 40 plus countries. Stupidity Never ends.

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    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
      Trump is considering a travel ban for 40 plus countries. Stupidity Never ends.
      It better not include France!!
      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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      • Originally posted by Moliere View Post

        It better not include France!!
        Well, they are kind of our enemies now.

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        • Trump doing dictator stuff and testing the constitution:



          Donald Trump has invoked the wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport five Venezuelan nationals from the US.

          The White House issued a presidential proclamation on Saturday targeting Venezuelan members of the gang Tren de Aragua, saying: “Tren de Aragua (TdA) is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization with thousands of members, many of whom have unlawfully infiltrated the United States and are conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States.”

          Civil liberties organizations have accused Trump of invoking the 1798 act unlawfully during peacetime to accelerate mass deportations and sidestep immigration law.

          Hours later, a federal judge temporarily blocked Trump’s administration from using the act to carry out its intended deportations of the Venezuelans.

          The US district judge James Boasberg of the federal district court in Washington DC agreed on Saturday to issue a temporary restraining orderthat prevents the Venezuelans’ deportation for 14 days.

          “Given the exigent circumstances that it [the court] has been made aware of this morning, it has determined that an immediate Order is warranted to maintain the status quo until a hearing can be set,” Boasberg wrote in his order.

          Boasberg’s decision comes in response to a lawsuit filed the same day by the American Civil Liberties Union and Democracy Forward. The organizations charge that the Trump administration unlawfully invoked the Alien Enemies Act.

          In the lawsuit, ACLU and Democracy Forward argued the act has been invoked only three times in the history of the US: the war of 1812, first world war and second world war.

          “It cannot be used here against nationals of a country – Venezuela – with whom the United States is not at war, which is not invading the United States and which has not launched a predatory incursion into the United States,” the lawsuit stated.

          “The government’s proclamation would allow agents to immediately put noncitizens on planes without any review of any aspect of the determination that they are alien enemies,” the lawsuit added.

          At remote hearing before Boasberg, both ACLU and Democracy Forward asked that the temporary restraining order be broadened to everyone in danger of removal under the act, the civil liberties organizations said.

          The president had previously ordered his administration to designate Venezuela’s Tren De Aragua gang as a foreign terrorist organization.

          With Trump characterizing the gang as a foreign force that is invading the US, civil liberties organizations such as the ACLU feared Trump would invoke the 1798 act “unlawfully during peacetime to accelerate mass deportations, sidestepping the limits of this wartime authority and the procedures and protections in immigration law”.

          The 227-year-old law is designed to primarily be used in wartime, and only Congress has the authority to declare a war. But the president does have the discretion to invoke the law to defend against a “threatened or ongoing invasion or predatory incursion”, according to the Brennan Center for Justice, a non-partisan authority on law and policy.

          “This law shouldn’t be invoked because migration is not an invasion, and we’re not in a war time,” said Juliana Macedo do Nascimento, the deputy director of federal advocacy for United We Dream, an immigrant rights organization. “It’s extremely horrifying that we, as immigrants, are being labeled as terrorists, as invaders.”

          Those subject to the Alien Enemies Act could be deported without a court hearing or asylum interview, and their cases would be governed by wartime authority rather than by immigration law.

          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-deportations

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          • Why would ICE spend a lot more money and energy going after criminals here illegally when they can pick low-hanging fruit like this?

            In addition to Muñoz, USA TODAY has confirmed through attorneys, family members and documents that ICE has detained for weeks:
            • a woman in her 50s who has lived in the country more than 30 years and is married to a U.S. citizen;
            • a woman in her 30s with proof of valid permanent legal residency, whose father and siblings are U.S. citizens, and who first came to the U.S. as a teen;
            • a European woman in her 30s engaged to a U.S. citizen who overstayed her visa when she was 21;
            • a woman engaged to a U.S. legal permanent resident, with whom she has lived for nine years.

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/82304354007/
            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
            - SeattleUte

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            • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
              Trump doing dictator stuff and testing the constitution:

              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...t-deportations
              A district court blocked this. When he found out two planes had already taken off, he ordered them turned around (he acknowledged he couldn't order any planes that had already landed to do anything, but that wasn't the case here). It proceeded to land in El Salvador instead. Marco Rubio was crowing about the "deportations" today. He did not mention the court order.

              So we're now into ignoring judicial orders in favor of What Trump Wants. Super cool, very constitutional.



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              • Trump is all 3 branches of govt

                Only took 1 month

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                • I assume most have seen this, but I love this commercial.
                  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=608109442057982

                  Trump had a prepared script for his sales pitch. And Musk as a federal employee is clearly violating conflict of interest laws, while Trump continues to debase the White House. And the gilding of the Oval Office reflects both poor taste and a demeaning of the institution. And yet, given that it's Trump, all this goes into the "Dog Bites Man!" file.

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                  • When will Trump have taken things too far for the average American? I know his MAGA base probably doesn’t have a bottom, but where will the tipping point be for Americans be? What might get some republican congresspeople to openly revolt against him?
                    • ignoring court orders (kind of already happening)
                    • military invasion in Panama, Greenland, and/or Canada
                    • Some kind of evidence he is compromised by Putin
                    • full on recession

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                    • Originally posted by chrisrenrut View Post
                      When will Trump have taken things too far for the average American? I know his MAGA base probably doesn’t have a bottom, but where will the tipping point be for Americans be? What might get some republican congresspeople to openly revolt against him?
                      • ignoring court orders (kind of already happening)
                      • military invasion in Panama, Greenland, and/or Canada
                      • Some kind of evidence he is compromised by Putin
                      • full on recession
                      When inflation and higher prices don't subside by summer of 2026

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                      • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                        When inflation and higher prices don't subside by summer of 2026
                        How about some of the military and diplomatic stuff?

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                        • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

                          How about some of the military and diplomatic stuff?
                          Most Americans are apathetic to that stuff unfortunately.

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                          • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                            Most Americans are apathetic to that stuff unfortunately.
                            Apropos of this, I saw one poll showing Trump’s favorables the highest they’ve ever been (still below 50%).

                            unfortunately the really important stuff for the future of the country, like the daily assault on separation of powers, just doesn’t hit like inflation does.
                            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                            - SeattleUte

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                            • why is there silence from all the R trump "skeptics" in congress?

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                              • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                                why is there silence from all the R trump "skeptics" in congress?
                                The who?? Those people either left voluntarily or got scared back into their hovels by a Trump primary threat.
                                Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                                Dig your own grave, and save!

                                "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                                "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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