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  • Gutting spending and pulling funding will mean less regulation. This will be good in some cases and bad in others. The government will be offering less services to the citizenry (and alienry - spell check says that's not a word). As others have pointed out, the net effect will not move the needle wrt our massive budget deficit. At some point, people will start to notice that they're not getting the same benefit from the government that they've grown accustomed to.

    I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing. Opinions will vary.

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    • Trump going after the Judicial Branch.

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      • Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
        Gutting spending and pulling funding will mean less regulation. This will be good in some cases and bad in others. The government will be offering less services to the citizenry (and alienry - spell check says that's not a word). As others have pointed out, the net effect will not move the needle wrt our massive budget deficit. At some point, people will start to notice that they're not getting the same benefit from the government that they've grown accustomed to.

        I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing. Opinions will vary.
        Less regulation is often bad. Bo, I think the question we need to ask is are Trump/Musk trying to actually be helpful or not?

        Because the way they are going about doing this has not been above board

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        • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post

          Less regulation is often bad. Bo, I think the question we need to ask is are Trump/Musk trying to actually be helpful or not?

          Because the way they are going about doing this has not been above board
          That depends on which side of the regulation you fall. I think reasonable minds would agree there needs to be a balance in there somewhere. I'm not making any specific judgements here about any such deregulation.

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          • Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

            That depends on which side of the regulation you fall. I think reasonable minds would agree there needs to be a balance in there somewhere. I'm not making any specific judgements here about any such deregulation.
            I'd assert this isn't deregulation it's just destruction under the guise of deregulation.

            Similarly with humiliating trusted treaty allies and becoming much more sympathetic to countries like Russia, there isn't much regard or concern with how it will impact us. That shit embarrasses me as an American. The Danes lost between 50 and 60 soldiers and the Canadians lost over 150. That might seem small, but you consider population size etc. it isn't insignificant. They fought on our behalf and now we humiliate and bully them.

            This isn't even aggressive austerity. Gunning for the consumer protection bureau will lead to nothing good for you and I.

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            • Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post
              Gutting spending and pulling funding will mean less regulation. This will be good in some cases and bad in others. The government will be offering less services to the citizenry (and alienry - spell check says that's not a word). As others have pointed out, the net effect will not move the needle wrt our massive budget deficit. At some point, people will start to notice that they're not getting the same benefit from the government that they've grown accustomed to.

              I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing. Opinions will vary.
              Serious question, what federal regulations are out there that are negatively affecting our lives?

              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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              • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post

                Serious question, what federal regulations are out there that are negatively affecting our lives?
                Is this a serious question though? Do you believe that all government programs and agencies are a net good? Or are you focusing on the state intentions of programs instead of results?

                The most obvious issue with many regulations are they manipulate the market, protect connected interests, and slow growth. Occupational licensing often keeps those with less means from participating as professionals. Rent control creates shortages and disincentives building. High minimum wage destroys job opportunities for the young and unskilled. FDA has created an overly backlogged and expensive process for getting drugs on the market, the costs of which are passed down to the consumer. Etc etc etc

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                • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post

                  Serious question, what federal regulations are out there that are negatively affecting our lives?
                  Try starting up a decent manufacturing business or coming up with a drug and getting it to market.

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                  • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                    Is this a serious question though? Do you believe that all government programs and agencies are a net good? Or are you focusing on the state intentions of programs instead of results?

                    The most obvious issue with many regulations are they manipulate the market, protect connected interests, and slow growth. Occupational licensing often keeps those with less means from participating as professionals. Rent control creates shortages and disincentives building. High minimum wage destroys job opportunities for the young and unskilled. FDA has created an overly backlogged and expensive process for getting drugs on the market, the costs of which are passed down to the consumer. Etc etc etc
                    It is a serious question, because I'm not aware of which federal regulations out there are negatively affecting our lives. And of course, I wouldn't believe that all government programs are a net good, although my experience is that the programs with which I've worked have had net goods. Most government programs have a constituency they benefit (foodstamps, drug approvals, meat inspectors, FAA, USAID, etc.). I have no problem taking a look at them and making changes, but I think the current slash and burn approach will have seriously negative consequences for the various constituencies, and those will likely bleed over into everyone.

                    I don't know a whole lot about occupational licensing, but aren't those mostly local regulations? For example, does my plumber or HVAC guy or even lawyer need to get federal licenses? And wouldn't the purpose of those licenses at the federal level (like meat inspectors, pilots, etc.) be in place for our safety and protection? The current federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour and has been that way for 16 years and only applies to larger employers. Is $7.25 an hour really destroying job opportunities? It's OBE. The average starting wage at McDo's is over $12 an hour in Utah. Can't speak to FDA's backlog. Maybe it needs to be reviewed, or maybe we need more inspectors and not fewer. But I'm pretty happy to wait on FDA to make sure drugs are safe. And frankly, high drug costs in the U.S. are not due to the FDA approval process. The market is deciding those prices, as well as Big Pharms making the U.S. the cash cow as it charges less for the same drugs in the rest of the world which is governed by single payer systems.

                    I'm sure there are plenty of federal regulations out there that affect industry (petrochemical industry, financial industry, etc.) that could or should be tweaked or changed. I'm asking what those might be and how they are really negatively affecting my day-to-day life. Are they really that overbearing?
                    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                    • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                      Try starting up a decent manufacturing business or coming up with a drug and getting it to market.
                      So, if I want to set up a factory to make fountain pens here in Utah, what is the federal regulatory structure I need to navigate? I assume there will be plenty of local regulations to navigate, but what about the federal level?

                      I ask because my job was to promote the U.S. as a destination for foreign firms to locate manufacturing. I worked with large multinationals and smaller firms, even startups. Not once did I hear complaints about onerous federal regulations. Not once. I heard about concerns over availability of labor resources, or secure energy resources (that Texas black out was a disaster for firms), They obviously needed to navigate local regulations, but most localities wanted the investment, so they worked to make that navigation easier.

                      Don't know much about drug approval, but like I said above, I'm willing to wait to make sure whatever is coming on the market works and is safe.
                      Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                      For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                      Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                      • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                        Is this a serious question though? Do you believe that all government programs and agencies are a net good? Or are you focusing on the state intentions of programs instead of results?

                        The most obvious issue with many regulations are they manipulate the market, protect connected interests, and slow growth. Occupational licensing often keeps those with less means from participating as professionals. Rent control creates shortages and disincentives building. High minimum wage destroys job opportunities for the young and unskilled. FDA has created an overly backlogged and expensive process for getting drugs on the market, the costs of which are passed down to the consumer. Etc etc etc
                        Occupational licensing is particularly important. AnCap, extreme libertarianism doesn't really work on a broadscale.

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                        • Originally posted by USUC View Post

                          Is this a serious question though? Do you believe that all government programs and agencies are a net good? Or are you focusing on the state intentions of programs instead of results?

                          The most obvious issue with many regulations are they manipulate the market, protect connected interests, and slow growth. Occupational licensing often keeps those with less means from participating as professionals. Rent control creates shortages and disincentives building. High minimum wage destroys job opportunities for the young and unskilled. FDA has created an overly backlogged and expensive process for getting drugs on the market, the costs of which are passed down to the consumer. Etc etc etc
                          Interestingly we have examples of how things worked without regulation. Read the Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

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                          • How can it be this difficult to dismiss federal charges?

                            lol

                            "I expect you will eventually find someone who is enough of a fool, or enough of a coward, to file your motion. But it was never going to be me."
                            Sounds like a job for the Hillbilly.

                            Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                            For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                            Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                            • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post

                              So, if I want to set up a factory to make fountain pens here in Utah, what is the federal regulatory structure I need to navigate? I assume there will be plenty of local regulations to navigate, but what about the federal level?

                              I ask because my job was to promote the U.S. as a destination for foreign firms to locate manufacturing. I worked with large multinationals and smaller firms, even startups. Not once did I hear complaints about onerous federal regulations. Not once. I heard about concerns over availability of labor resources, or secure energy resources (that Texas black out was a disaster for firms), They obviously needed to navigate local regulations, but most localities wanted the investment, so they worked to make that navigation easier.

                              Don't know much about drug approval, but like I said above, I'm willing to wait to make sure whatever is coming on the market works and is safe.
                              EPA for one. Customs issues import licenses for materials. Immigration and Naturalization in case you need to bring in talent. The FDA has all kinds of roadblocks for drug manufacturers. Some are good and some are bloat.

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                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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