The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[YOhio]

I still can't get over how old all the legitimate candidates are. Sanders, Biden, Bloomberg, and Warren would all the oldest presidents ever elected. Trump is also old AF. It's like America wants the White House to smell like Listerine and mothballs with presidential branded rock candy.

[YOhio]

When Warren discusses issues and policies, she is articulate and seems very intelligent. I can see why people like her. But this is partly what drives me crazy. She knows good and damn well that some of her policies are fantasies and she pushes them anyway.

Lol. Yes. Like the time she said she'd only appoint a Sec of Education only after interview and approval by a transgendered youth. There's pandering and then there's that.

[SeattleUte]

I don't know if I'd say "always", and I also don't see political "flexibility", I'll call it, as the same problem that most do, I guess. We're voting for people to represent us, right?

She's not elected yet. But, yes, I prefer naked ambition to an ideologue.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ha! Exactly what I was thinking - but much better stated.

I just think she comes off as fake. Of course, many of the politicians do at this point. But she comes off as staged and fake to me. Probably too much carry over from her "let's have a beer" post from a while back. Throw in the known dishonesty with the sense of staged fakeness, and she's about as likeable as Hillary was.

When Warren discusses issues and policies, she is articulate and seems very intelligent. I can see why people like her. But this is partly what drives me crazy. She knows good and damn well that some of her policies are fantasies and she pushes them anyway.

[Eddie]

If it weren't for her dishonesty and her ridiculous economic policies, she would be a decent candidate.

Ha! Exactly what I was thinking - but much better stated.

I'm honestly curious why you think this. I know that's probably too impossibly vague to answer, but every time I listen to her, I'm surprised at how likable she is. Was there anything specific, or just a general sense kind of thing?

I just think she comes off as fake. Of course, many of the politicians do at this point. But she comes off as staged and fake to me. Probably too much carry over from her "let's have a beer" post from a while back. Throw in the known dishonesty with the sense of staged fakeness, and she's about as likeable as Hillary was.

[ERCougar]

I do think Warren is much less likable than her supporters believe and also profoundly dishonest. When she tried to put some meat on the bones of bernies nutty ideas she instantly dropped in the polls because the math doesnt work. So her "I have a plan for that" approach would probably tank in a general election. Unless she decides to change her ideology again and go back to embracing the free market.

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I'm honestly curious why you think this. I know that's probably too impossibly vague to answer, but every time I listen to her, I'm surprised at how likable she is. Was there anything specific, or just a general sense kind of thing?

[ERCougar]

Does she really believe in anything? Seems to me her positions are always politically calibrated to exploit a seam. Too bad for her she underestimated Sanders. She should have run as a moderate.

I don't know if I'd say "always", and I also don't see political "flexibility", I'll call it, as the same problem that most do, I guess. We're voting for people to represent us, right?

[UVACoug]

So you have to do something out of the ordinary to vote in the dem primary as am independent in Utah? If not I may stop by tonight and case a vote for little Mike.

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Nope. They just asked if I wanted a Democrat or Republican ballot and I said Democrat. I got a Republican ballot in the mail, so I had to go vote in person.

[Omaha 680]

She will try to debate him on a high level and he will drag her down into the slop. When she's covered in mud, her preparation isn't going to mean anything.

I think everyone puts too much stock in the debates. Other than Nixon sweating next to the smooth JFK, when did the debates actually sway an election?

I do think Warren is much less likable than her supporters believe and also profoundly dishonest. When she tried to put some meat on the bones of bernies nutty ideas she instantly dropped in the polls because the math doesnt work. So her "I have a plan for that" approach would probably tank in a general election. Unless she decides to change her ideology again and go back to embracing the free market.

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[Omaha 680]

I wasn't going to vote today, but a couple new polls came out within the last 24 hours showing Bernie and Biden nearly tied in Utah so I figured I might as well vote against Bernie. Not a fan of Biden at all, but he'd do far less damage to the country and economy than Bernie would. It's unfortunate that the Democrats decided to coalesce around Biden instead of one of the more appealing "moderates," but it is what it is.

So you have to do something out of the ordinary to vote in the dem primary as am independent in Utah? If not I may stop by tonight and case a vote for little Mike.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

I voted for Bill Weld. Not sure who I would have voted for had I crossed over to the open Dem race. Pretty sure my vote wouldn't have stopped Bernie or Warren anyways.

Me too.

[beefytee]

I voted for Bill Weld. Not sure who I would have voted for had I crossed over to the open Dem race. Pretty sure my vote wouldn't have stopped Bernie or Warren anyways.

[UVACoug]

I wasn't going to vote today, but a couple new polls came out within the last 24 hours showing Bernie and Biden nearly tied in Utah so I figured I might as well vote against Bernie. Not a fan of Biden at all, but he'd do far less damage to the country and economy than Bernie would. It's unfortunate that the Democrats decided to coalesce around Biden instead of one of the more appealing "moderates," but it is what it is.

[SeattleUte]

I didn't vote for her, but I think she's the smartest and the hardest-working of the bunch (now that Pete's out). She's staked herself out as far left, but I don't think she's nearly as attached to her positions as Bernie is, and is pragmatic enough to make concessions to build some sort of consensus. She's also much more likable than I think people give her credit for. I would love to see a Biden-Warren ticket, although I don't know if she'd ever go for it.

Does she really believe in anything? Seems to me her positions are always politically calibrated to exploit a seam. Too bad for her she underestimated Sanders. She should have run as a moderate.

[Commando]

I didn't vote for her, but I think she's the smartest and the hardest-working of the bunch (now that Pete's out). She's staked herself out as far left, but I don't think she's nearly as attached to her positions as Bernie is, and is pragmatic enough to make concessions to build some sort of consensus. She's also much more likable than I think people give her credit for. I would love to see a Biden-Warren ticket, although I don't know if she'd ever go for it.

Now that's what I'm talking about. We gotta get rid of this :

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