The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[Goatnapper'96]

why was the kavanaugh episode bad? there was a specific allegation made by a credible witness. he received "due process" (whatever that means and to the extent anybody is owed due process in that context) in the form of a public hearing where his accuser testified.

I believe it was bad because there was no evidence supporting the allegation. Those who opposed Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court on the grounds that he had sexually assaulted her did so out of partisanship and not because they found any persuasive evidence.

[old_gregg]

I believe it was bad because there was no evidence supporting the allegation. Those who opposed Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court on the grounds that he had sexually assaulted her did so out of partisanship and not because they found any persuasive evidence.

what do you mean there was no evidence? there was testimony of the person making the allegation. whether you found that evidence persuasive (particularly in light of the other available evidence) or not is a different question.

[Goatnapper'96]

what do you mean there was no evidence? there was testimony of the person making the allegation. whether you found that evidence persuasive (particularly in light of the other available evidence) or not is a different question.

You're correct, I should have said "corroborating evidence." But you knew that, Jerky!

[SeattleUte]

You're correct, I should have said "corroborating evidence." But you knew that, Jerky!

It was worse than that. Potential corroborating witnesses said they didn't think it happened.

I think her "beach friends" goaded her into doing it.

[Walter Sobchak]

Gonna be a lot more of these between now and November:

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[old_gregg]

You're correct, I should have said "corroborating evidence." But you knew that, Jerky!

what corroborating evidence do you want of an alleged 30 year old sexual assault? by the way, i hope you are at least equally troubled by the gop senators who had predetermined their confirmation votes before the hearings, which to me is much worse than seeking the truth of sexual assault incidentally.

[Eddie]

It doesn't bother me that allegations were made - if she really thinks it happened. (I don't want to be misinterpreted and have someone say I think making up allegations is OK. I have no idea if they were made up or if she thinks they happened.)

It doesn't bother me that allegations were investigated. That is EXACTLY what should happen. In fact - with Kavanaugh, I'd say the outcome is as it should've been - allegations came up and were considered, they were pretty weak with little corroborating evidence or additional behaviors to support that kind of thing being an issue for him. And he was confirmed.

What bothered me was the number of people - including senators and representatives who are part of the processes - insisting that "victims" who come forward should be believed, and that Kavanaugh should've withdrawn and/or not been confirmed based on the fact that allegations were made. Including Biden himself. I'm torn between wanting him to be required to take his own advice now and withdraw versus who would replace him as the Dem nominee.

[Goatnapper'96]

what corroborating evidence do you want of an alleged 30 year old sexual assault? by the way, i hope you are at least equally troubled by the gop senators who had predetermined their confirmation votes before the hearings, which to me is much worse than seeking the truth of sexual assault incidentally.

I didn't want any, I like Kavanaugh! I think the folks who had their minds made up about Kavanaugh before the hearing were assuming that there would be no new evidence provided and that the testimony only of Blasey-Ford was not persuasive to them, which had been out in the public for sometime. But if it makes you feel better I do have even more serious discomfort with what I believe Brother Reid and Mitch McConnel have done to the Senate that no longer requires the consensus it once did.

However, I thought the Kavanaugh issue was a joke. Blasey-Ford makes an accusation that had no corroborating evidence. However, her testimony was taken as a gospel truth and trumped by enough folks, not because it was believable but because it was the strongest vehicle (as weak as it was) to their desired end state. Perhaps she was genuine but I don't believe many others were. I feel her allegations, due to the lack of corroborating evidence, should have gotten similar treatment to what Reade's allegations are getting.

[Uncle Ted]

Someone please get Joe some help...

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As for the sexual assault allegations against him, in his defense, he most likely doesn't remember.

[BigFatMeanie]

Someone please get Joe some help...

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As for the sexual assault allegations against him, in his defense, he most likely doesn't remember.

Heck, a couple of underlings ran the Salt Lake County Recorder's office for years while Gary Ott was suffering from dementia. I'm sure Joe's wife and VP can do the same for the whole country.

[Pelado]

Heck, a couple of underlings ran the Salt Lake County Recorder's office for years while Gary Ott was suffering from dementia. I'm sure Joe's wife and VP can do the same for the whole country.

And still be better than Trump.

[Uncle Ted]

Heck, a couple of underlings ran the Salt Lake County Recorder's office for years while Gary Ott was suffering from dementia. I'm sure Joe's wife and VP can do the same for the whole country.

Yeah, we can pay Hunter $100,000/mo to help around the White House too. He needs the money to pay for his drugs and hookers.


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[UVACoug]

what do you mean there was no evidence? there was testimony of the person making the allegation. whether you found that evidence persuasive (particularly in light of the other available evidence) or not is a different question.

And its just a coincidence that only Democrats found her persuasive and only Republicans found her not persuasive?

[UVACoug]

what corroborating evidence do you want of an alleged 30 year old sexual assault? by the way, i hope you are at least equally troubled by the gop senators who had predetermined their confirmation votes before the hearings, which to me is much worse than seeking the truth of sexual assault incidentally.

You mean the ones that delayed the confirmation vote for weeks to allow the Democrats to put on evidence (which never materialized or likely existed)?

[old_gregg]

And its just a coincidence that only Democrats found her persuasive and only Republicans found her not persuasive?

just because the people hearing it were bastards doesn't mean it wasn't evidence