The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[Uncle Ted]

I think it would be fun to have lunch with Ted sometime.

If you buying I am usually in Utah a good part of the summer... but Walter needs to be in town as well.

Just kidding about buying. Walter will buy.

[Uncle Ted]

I am a big fan of Uncle Joe Poetry...

[Uncle Ted]

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[Goatnapper'96]

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This could be good, IMO. I thought the Kavanaugh situation was about as bad as it could get concerning the identity clash over this issue. Perhaps our culture is coalescing around the belief that there has to be some minimal level of evidence that neither case involved. In the future maybe even accusations, absent any level of evidence, against Republicans will drift towards how Biden is being treated. No doubt mocking the hypocrisy will help to that end.

[Uncle Ted]

Bernie may have given his endorsement to Biden... but not the Bernie Bros:

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And apparently AOC hasn't either:

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[Color Me Badd Fan]

This could be good, IMO. I thought the Kavanaugh situation was about as bad as it could get concerning the identity clash over this issue. Perhaps our culture is coalescing around the belief that there has to be some minimal level of evidence that neither case involved. In the future maybe even accusations, absent any level of evidence, against Republicans will drift towards how Biden is being treated. No doubt mocking the hypocrisy will help to that end.

Biden's chief of staff denying that he even remembers her doesn't help out. Apparently she was stripped of her duties shortly after the time when she claims the event occurred and had told people about it. It seems like she in fact told people about it when it occurred -- whether there was any truth to it is an entirely different point. It sounds like she was phased out of her job due to the allegation.

One postscript to the Kavanaugh allegation -- Blasely-Ford's father approached Kavanaugh's father at the country club they both belong to, shook his hand and congratulated the family on Kavanaugh's confirmation to the Supreme Court. There's a reason why her parents and siblings chose to avoid this whole event like the plague and not support her.

[Uncle Ted]

How about that? Obama finally endorsed his old buddy Joe... Obama is always leading from behind:

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https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-th...is-endorsement

[Uncle Ted]

The future of the democratic party, AOC, says that Tara Reade deserves to be heard and Joe's sexual assault on her should be discussed:

'Replaying old movies': AOC says Biden sexual assault allegations 'legitimate to talk about'

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez expressed her willingness to have a conversation about the sexual assault allegations facing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

"I think it's legitimate to talk about these things," the New York Democrat said regarding the claims from former Biden aide Tara Reade, who said the then-senator sexually assaulted her in 1993. "And if we want, if we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know — both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you, until it inconveniences us."
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Ocasio-Cortez's comments, made Tuesday evening during an online conversation with the women-only networking space The Wing, marked the first time any national lawmaker has spoken about the allegation Reade leveled against Biden. Ocasio-Cortez said it's "not okay" to ignore issues surrounding sexual assault simply because Democrats want to defeat Trump.

"I think a lot of us are just in this moment where it's like, how did we get here? You know, it almost felt like we started this cycle where we had kind of moved on from, you know, from all of this. And now it feels like we're kind of back in it," she said. "And, you know, the most diverse field that we've ever seen — that we're kind of back kind of replaying old movies in a way."
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-to-talk-about

Sorry Joe... not everyone in your party is going to give you a pass just because you are democrat.

[UVACoug]

The future of the democratic party, AOC, says that Tara Reade deserves to be heard and Joe's sexual assault on her should be discussed:


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-to-talk-about

Sorry Joe... not everyone in your party is going to give you a pass just because you are democrat.

But apparently the New York Times will:

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1249829592719917059

The interview with Dean Baquet is quite revealing.

[Uncle Ted]

But apparently the New York Times will:

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1249829592719917059

The interview with Dean Baquet is quite revealing.

[Uncle Ted]

LOL... Even Bernie's national press secretary is refusing to support Joe:

'Irresponsible': Bernie Sanders chides former spokeswoman for refusing to support Joe Biden

Sen. Bernie Sanders called his supporters who are refusing to get involved in the 2020 election because Joe Biden is the presumptive Democratic nominee "irresponsible."

Sanders dropped out of the presidential race and endorsed Biden's run against President Trump in recent days. However, his former national press secretary Briahna Joy Gray made it clear that she would not support the former vice president. When asked about the situation by the Associated Press on Tuesday, Sanders distanced himself from Gray.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...port-joe-biden

I guess she is now the national press secretary of the Bernie Bros.

[Goatnapper'96]

Can someone who is more liberal than me tell me what liberals really believe in this situation? Do they really believe that both Blasey-Ford and Reade were assaulted, i.e. Pigs all the Way Down, but they view Trump so much of a threat that they are willing to live with Joe Biden or do they really believe in due process, What to Do with Tara Reade's Accusation, but they viewed Kavanaugh as such a threat that him losing was a higher priority than due process.

Is there something I am missing about these two cases that an open minded and reasonable fellow like Frank could help me to grasp because the hypocrisy in treatment of this case is one of the most reasonable and obvious conspiratorial whines the right has had. Especially being only 6 months removed. What moral argument are liberals making other than just ignoring the case?

I am of the opinion that this indicates our civilization has coalesced around believing there has to be more evidence than he said she said.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Can someone who is more liberal than me tell me what liberals really believe in this situation? Do they really believe that both Blasey-Ford and Reade were assaulted, i.e. Pigs all the Way Down, but they view Trump so much of a threat that they are willing to live with Joe Biden or do they really believe in due process, What to Do with Tara Reade's Accusation, but they viewed Kavanaugh as such a threat that him losing was a higher priority than due process.

Is there something I am missing about these two cases that an open minded and reasonable fellow like Frank could help me to grasp because the hypocrisy in treatment of this case is one of the most reasonable and obvious conspiratorial whines the right has had. Especially being only 6 months removed. What moral argument are liberals making other than just ignoring the case?

I am of the opinion that this indicates our civilization has coalesced around believing there has to be more evidence than he said she said.

Maybe some who "start by believing" are wishing they had not been so strident. Hypocrisy cuts both ways, especially in politics.

[Goatnapper'96]

Maybe some who "start by believing" are wishing they had not been so strident. Hypocrisy cuts both ways, especially in politics.

Thanks for the response. My hope is now that the "believe victims" without any level of evidence has hurt both sides we will be sane in the future. I thought the Kavanaugh episode was pretty bad so I am happy this happened in such close proximity as the hypocrisy of it is really hard to bs around. Folks can maintain that Kavanaugh is the threat to their interpretation of the law if they want to believe that, but the concept of due process and rule of law are paramount to us maintaining a healthy society- I think we all agree upon that. At some point a commitment to that should supersede winning. It is good that both sides' ox got gored in such close proximity.

[old_gregg]

Thanks for the response. My hope is now that the "believe victims" without any level of evidence has hurt both sides we will be sane in the future. I thought the Kavanaugh episode was pretty bad so I am happy this happened in such close proximity as the hypocrisy of it is really hard to bs around. Folks can maintain that Kavanaugh is the threat to their interpretation of the law if they want to believe that, but the concept of due process and rule of law are paramount to us maintaining a healthy society- I think we all agree upon that. At some point a commitment to that should supersede winning. It is good that both sides' ox got gored in such close proximity.

why was the kavanaugh episode bad? there was a specific allegation made by a credible witness. he received "due process" (whatever that means and to the extent anybody is owed due process in that context) in the form of a public hearing where his accuser testified.