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  • ERCougar
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 10978

    #2761
    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Does she really believe in anything? Seems to me her positions are always politically calibrated to exploit a seam. Too bad for her she underestimated Sanders. She should have run as a moderate.
    I don't know if I'd say "always", and I also don't see political "flexibility", I'll call it, as the same problem that most do, I guess. We're voting for people to represent us, right?
    At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
    -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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    • ERCougar
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 10978

      #2762
      Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
      I do think Warren is much less likable than her supporters believe and also profoundly dishonest. When she tried to put some meat on the bones of bernies nutty ideas she instantly dropped in the polls because the math doesnt work. So her "I have a plan for that" approach would probably tank in a general election. Unless she decides to change her ideology again and go back to embracing the free market.

      Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk
      I'm honestly curious why you think this. I know that's probably too impossibly vague to answer, but every time I listen to her, I'm surprised at how likable she is. Was there anything specific, or just a general sense kind of thing?
      At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
      -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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      • Eddie
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 8098

        #2763
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        If it weren't for her dishonesty and her ridiculous economic policies, she would be a decent candidate.
        Ha! Exactly what I was thinking - but much better stated.

        Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
        I'm honestly curious why you think this. I know that's probably too impossibly vague to answer, but every time I listen to her, I'm surprised at how likable she is. Was there anything specific, or just a general sense kind of thing?
        I just think she comes off as fake. Of course, many of the politicians do at this point. But she comes off as staged and fake to me. Probably too much carry over from her "let's have a beer" post from a while back. Throw in the known dishonesty with the sense of staged fakeness, and she's about as likeable as Hillary was.

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        • Jeff Lebowski
          Corporate lackey for Jesus
          • Nov 2008
          • 69478

          #2764
          Originally posted by Eddie View Post
          Ha! Exactly what I was thinking - but much better stated.

          I just think she comes off as fake. Of course, many of the politicians do at this point. But she comes off as staged and fake to me. Probably too much carry over from her "let's have a beer" post from a while back. Throw in the known dishonesty with the sense of staged fakeness, and she's about as likeable as Hillary was.
          When Warren discusses issues and policies, she is articulate and seems very intelligent. I can see why people like her. But this is partly what drives me crazy. She knows good and damn well that some of her policies are fantasies and she pushes them anyway.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • SeattleUte
            Faith crisis consultant
            • Nov 2008
            • 20837

            #2765
            Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
            I don't know if I'd say "always", and I also don't see political "flexibility", I'll call it, as the same problem that most do, I guess. We're voting for people to represent us, right?
            She's not elected yet. But, yes, I prefer naked ambition to an ideologue.
            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

            --Jonathan Swift

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            • YOhio
              Hipster Mode
              • Nov 2008
              • 26165

              #2766
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              When Warren discusses issues and policies, she is articulate and seems very intelligent. I can see why people like her. But this is partly what drives me crazy. She knows good and damn well that some of her policies are fantasies and she pushes them anyway.
              Lol. Yes. Like the time she said she'd only appoint a Sec of Education only after interview and approval by a transgendered youth. There's pandering and then there's that.

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              • YOhio
                Hipster Mode
                • Nov 2008
                • 26165

                #2767
                I still can't get over how old all the legitimate candidates are. Sanders, Biden, Bloomberg, and Warren would all the oldest presidents ever elected. Trump is also old AF. It's like America wants the White House to smell like Listerine and mothballs with presidential branded rock candy.

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                • PaloAltoCougar
                  Semper infra dignitatem
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 16917

                  #2768
                  Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                  I still can't get over how old all the legitimate candidates are. Sanders, Biden, Bloomberg, and Warren would all the oldest presidents ever elected. Trump is also old AF. It's like America wants the White House to smell like Listerine and mothballs with presidential branded rock candy.
                  Yeah, and don't forget the heady scent of Ben-Gay and cheap hair spray. it's sad, SAD!, that every remaining major candidate is older than I am.

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                  • myboynoah
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 21719

                    #2769
                    Virginia and North Carolina called very early for Biden, suggesting a big margin of victory. Biden should score a lot early, but could be less rosy as the results move Westward into Bernie country.
                    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                    • PaloAltoCougar
                      Semper infra dignitatem
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 16917

                      #2770
                      Bloomberg wins American Samoa, raking in six delegates. I feel a momentum shift.

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                      • myboynoah
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 21719

                        #2771
                        American Samoa is called for Bloomberg!

                        Do we really want a billionaire buying the election like this!?!?!?
                        Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                        For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                        Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                        • SeattleUte
                          Faith crisis consultant
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 20837

                          #2772
                          Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                          Virginia and North Carolina called very early for Biden, suggesting a big margin of victory. Biden should score a lot early, but could be less rosy as the results move Westward into Bernie country.
                          The South is saving us from the abyss. Can't believe I'm saying that.
                          When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                          --Jonathan Swift

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                          • Omaha 680
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 11171

                            #2773
                            Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                            I'm honestly curious why you think this. I know that's probably too impossibly vague to answer, but every time I listen to her, I'm surprised at how likable she is. Was there anything specific, or just a general sense kind of thing?
                            Her dishonesty is what makes her so unlikable to me. But I suppose she could appear likable if you are not familiar with her work before she got into politics.

                            Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

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                            • myboynoah
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 21719

                              #2774
                              The exit polling data from Mass shows that even Warren's home state doesn't care for her that much.

                              She's just plain unpleasant. The type of person who warns you against salting your food before tasting it, even though she doesn't even know you.
                              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                              • myboynoah
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 21719

                                #2775
                                Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                                The South is saving us from the abyss. Can't believe I'm saying that.
                                The Black vote is coming out for Biden.
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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