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[Bo Diddley]

I admit I don't attend church, but I'm still a member. But to me it seems like the American membership has in some ways moved to the right of the leadership.
I don't believe current doctrine or tone from Salt Lake gives any room to think racism is acceptable even it's casual. Hell the church participates in a charitable endeavor with the Wyoming players who were booted off their team for wanting to protest BYU policies.

Anyone with a brain should read that previous Oaks talk on voting and realize allegiance to a politician, which Trump has sickly commanded, over ideals and character is wrong and that election denialism is dangerous.

But there are more American members than most recognize or want to that are some of the more vocal people who move into conspiracy theories and racism.

Vaxxers v antivaxxers was interesting to watch. You have a prophet of God urging the Church to wear masks and get the jab, but many refuse to hearken to his words.

[All-American]

I think a big chunk of membership probably not the majority get caught up in that. I see it being a budding problem, but I'm just an inactive guy with some affection for the church.

I tend to think the majority probably tends line up with the leadership-- both because leadership tends to be representative of the main body as a general matter, and all the more so because the main body of church members tends to fall in line with the leadership.

Take vaccination, for example. Leadership loudly advocated for vaccinations, calling it a literal godsend and an answer to prayers. Yes, some members balked at that, noisily. Yet in the state of Utah, almost 75% have had at least one shot, and about 65% are deemed "fully vaccinated." That's not too far from the national rates of 79% and 68%, respectively, and quite a bit better than the neighboring states of Idaho (62% and 55%) or Wyoming (59% and 52%).

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...tes/state/utah

[Non Sequitur]

Vaxxers v antivaxxers was interesting to watch. You have a prophet of God urging the Church to wear masks and get the jab, but many refuse to hearken to his words.

One of my wife's best friends has stopped paying tithing to protest the Church's stand on vaccines. Last week she attended a week long conference in Salt Lake that was centered around debunking vaccines. She won't even use medications manufactured by companies that produce vaccines. The vaccine rabbit hole in Utah is very deep.

[Bo Diddley]

One of my wife's best friends has stopped paying tithing to protest the Church's stand on vaccines. Last week she attended a week long conference in Salt Lake that was centered around debunking vaccines. She won't even use medications manufactured by companies that produce vaccines. The vaccine rabbit hole in Utah is very deep.

Is she donating her tithing to another charity? If not, that seems like a very weak protest.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I tend to think the majority probably tends line up with the leadership-- both because leadership tends to be representative of the main body as a general matter, and all the more so because the main body of church members tends to fall in line with the leadership.

Take vaccination, for example. Leadership loudly advocated for vaccinations, calling it a literal godsend and an answer to prayers. Yes, some members balked at that, noisily. Yet in the state of Utah, almost 75% have had at least one shot, and about 65% are deemed "fully vaccinated." That's not too far from the national rates of 79% and 68%, respectively, and quite a bit better than the neighboring states of Idaho (62% and 55%) or Wyoming (59% and 52%).

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...tes/state/utah

Well said.

The idiots tend to be louder. And more inclined to share their opinions.

[Clark Addison]

Well said.

The idiots tend to be louder. And more inclined to share their opinions.

Submitted as evidence for this: https://www.cougarboard.com/board/li...ay=category:11

[Moliere]

One of my wife's best friends has stopped paying tithing to protest the Church's stand on vaccines. Last week she attended a week long conference in Salt Lake that was centered around debunking vaccines. She won't even use medications manufactured by companies that produce vaccines. The vaccine rabbit hole in Utah is very deep.

She wouldn’t be outside the norm in some of the counties just north of Houston. This isn’t a Utah or a Mormon problem. It’s a far right GOP problem.

[LVAllen]

Is she donating her tithing to another charity? If not, that seems like a very weak protest.

She's probably using it to buy Essential Oils, because it's flu season and that means you need to break out the Thieves blend and bergamot.

[Bo Diddley]

She's probably using it to buy Essential Oils, because it's flu season and that means you need to break out the Thieves blend and bergamot.

Ha. I didn't understand a word of that.

[All-American]

Submitted as evidence for this: https://www.cougarboard.com/board/li...ay=category:11

Before I give that post an unnecessary click, let me just ask: is actually reading what they post any more persuasive on the point than just noticing that it was posted on cougarboard?

[Pelado]

Submitted as evidence for this: https://www.cougarboard.com/board/li...ay=category:11

I cannot read a sealed book. Was that posted to a donor-only category, since deleted, or both?

[Clark Addison]

Before I give that post an unnecessary click, let me just ask: is actually reading what they post any more persuasive on the point than just noticing that it was posted on cougarboard?

I cannot read a sealed book. Was that posted to a donor-only category, since deleted, or both?

The link was just to all posts in the Politics category.

I turned off politics on CB until after Nov 8. It just makes me have bad feelings about my fellow Mormons. I also turned off the BYU football category a couple of weeks ago. For me, CB fills about 3 pages a day now.

[wuapinmon]

The link was just to all posts in the Politics category.

I turned off politics on CB until after Nov 8. It just makes me have bad feelings about my fellow Mormons.

I mean, some people might go so far as to say that they don't actually believe in their own faith, but are acting out the traditions into which they were born. But, I'll back off since Moliere refuses to let someone who "isn't" of his faith opine on it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I mean, some people might go so far as to say that they don't actually believe in their own faith, but are acting out the traditions into which they were born. But, I'll back off since Moliere refuses to let someone who "isn't" of his faith opine on it.

Opine away, but that would be yet another negative generalization about a group of people. It is little different than saying, "People who leave the church just want to sin."

[frank ryan]

I tend to think the majority probably tends line up with the leadership-- both because leadership tends to be representative of the main body as a general matter, and all the more so because the main body of church members tends to fall in line with the leadership.

Take vaccination, for example. Leadership loudly advocated for vaccinations, calling it a literal godsend and an answer to prayers. Yes, some members balked at that, noisily. Yet in the state of Utah, almost 75% have had at least one shot, and about 65% are deemed "fully vaccinated." That's not too far from the national rates of 79% and 68%, respectively, and quite a bit better than the neighboring states of Idaho (62% and 55%) or Wyoming (59% and 52%).

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...tes/state/utah

That is pretty fascinating. I also know some of the "wellness" industry followers succumb to conspiracies. Those folks used to be sort of their own strain of liberal or apolitical.