Ukraine - somebody explain to me

[wuapinmon]

I've missed the hell out of you.

[wuapinmon]

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[BigFatMeanie]

Putin has granted Edward Snowden citizenship. I wonder if Ed is eligible get drafted to fight in Ukraine?

[myboynoah]

If he is, tell him to bring pads and tampons.

And his own sleeping bag, meds, tourniquets, etc..

Too much emphasis on tourniquets for my comfort.

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[Uncle Ted]

It might be a cold winter in Germany...

Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines
Seismologists detect spikes in undersea activity, possibly indicating explosions, amid three simultaneous leaks

Gas is pouring into the Baltic Sea from three separate leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines amid claims by seismologists in Sweden and Denmark of two sharp spikes in undersea activity, possibly indicating explosions, and speculation about sabotage.

A seismograph on the Danish island of Bornholm, near where the leaks occurred, twice recorded spikes on Monday, the day on which the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines underwent dramatic falls in pressure, the German geological research centre GFZ said.

A Danish military flight over the leaks brought back striking images from the ruptures, including one showing an area of bubbling gas a kilometre wide on the sea’s surface.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other

It's not like the CIA didn't warn the Germans before they blew it up...

CIA warned Berlin about possible attacks on gas pipelines in summer - Spiegel

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had weeks ago warned Germany about possible attacks on gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, German magazine Spiegel said on Tuesday, after gas leaks in Russia pipelines to Germany were reported.

The German government received the CIA tip in summer, Spiegel reported, citing unnamed sources, adding that Berlin assumes a targeted attack on Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/cia-wa...rce=reddit.com

[Jeff Lebowski]

It might be a cold winter in Germany...


https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other

It's not like the CIA didn't warn the Germans before they blew it up...


https://www.reuters.com/world/cia-wa...rce=reddit.com

I have been following this story today. Why would the russians blow it up?

[Uncle Ted]

I have been following this story today. Why would the russians blow it up?

It was the CIA that blew it up, Dude. Of course, they will deny it. It blow up in three different places at the same time.

I guess gas prices in Europe jumped 12% today. Send those tankers to Texas!

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Joe made this promise back around the first of the year...

"If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the -- the border of Ukraine again, then there will be -- there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2," Biden said during the press conference with Scholz
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Pressed on how he can commit to that given that Nord Stream 2 is under German control, Biden doubled down, saying, "We will -- I promise you -- we will be able to do it."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bide...ry?id=82712888

[myboynoah]

It was the CIA that blew it up, Dude. Of course, they will deny it. It blow up in three different places at the same time.

I guess gas prices in Europe jumped 12% today. Send those tankers to Texas!

Yeah, way too efficient and coordinated for the Russians to have pulled this one off.

Even so, maybe the Russians did it to put more pressure on Europe over the winter? "Oh wow, look at that, our pipes were breached. And we can't get the technology to repair them. Plus, we're not that motivated while you still support that country that really isn't a country but is actually a bunch of Russians with a strange dialect that we will destroy. Guess you'll just have to freeze this winter. SAD!"

[myboynoah]

Let's go!!!!

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[Uncle Ted]

Yeah, way too efficient and coordinated for the Russians to have pulled this one off.

Even so, maybe the Russians did it to put more pressure on Europe over the winter? "Oh wow, look at that, our pipes were breached. And we can't get the technology to repair them. Plus, we're not that motivated while you still support that country that really isn't a country but is actually a bunch of Russians with a strange dialect that we will destroy. Guess you'll just have to freeze this winter. SAD!"

How convenient... The Baltic Pipeline went online today!

Baltic Pipe: Norway-Poland gas pipeline opens in key move to cut dependency on Russia

Leaders from Poland, Norway and Denmark have attended a ceremony to mark the opening of the new Baltic Pipe, a key stage in the drive to wean Poland and Europe off Russian gas.

The pipeline will transport natural gas from the Norwegian shelf via Denmark and through the Baltic Sea to Poland. It is the centrepiece of a Polish strategy to diversify away from Russia that began years before Moscow’s February invasion of Ukraine triggered a global energy crisis.
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https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/...ency-on-russia

The Germans just need to add a little T and suck some of that oil over to their side of the border.

[Bo Diddley]

Seems silly for states to attack another state's infrastructure during an active war. What's to stop your own pipeline from being attacked?

[Uncle Ted]

Seems silly for states to attack another state's infrastructure during an active war. What's to stop your own pipeline from being attacked?

Yeah, Biden is stupid for blowing up the Russian's pipeline... Putin will most likely blow up our pipelines and start WWIII now!

[wuapinmon]

I have been following this story today. Why would the russians blow it up?

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[Moliere]

It might be a cold winter in Germany...


https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other

It's not like the CIA didn't warn the Germans before they blew it up...


https://www.reuters.com/world/cia-wa...rce=reddit.com

Not sure it matters at all to Germany since nothing was flowing through the pipe anyway.

[Katy Lied]

I have been waiting for the liberation of Lyman, a major turning point in the war. Here are some dispatches from the front this morning - pretty close to live. A Ukrainian soldier is corresponding with someone in San Francisco. Warning: very graphic.



3:32pm, September 30th, San Francisco
1:32am, October 1st, Eastern Ukraine

Moved north.

its a slaughter

cut them off west of kreminna. got to go.

Stay safe. Lyman totally cut off?

I think so, engadging thos going east.

Ok, talk to you on the other side

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10:19 pm, September 30th, San Francisco
8:19 am, October 1st, Eastern Ukraine

Only a few mins here. Ran out of ammo and backed off south. Am a bit traumatized and need some sleep. I have no idea what is going on except we engaged a lot of elements headed to Kreminna. They have to be coming from Lyman and Zarichne. Right now we are in a safe area, it seems.

I have never seen so many dead, soon to be dead, and wounded people in my life. People begging for help, but no way we can help them. We have little to help them with, a small medical kit each, no morphine, and no time to render any kind of useful aid. No idea if they will live or die. You just keep moving.

One guy had obviously stepped on a mine by the side of the road. One leg was gone at mid-thigh, the other one was broken lower down and his foot was backward. He was trying to crawl somewhere on one good knee, trailing flowing blood out of a busted artery. Unless he got help quick, he was gone. He was talking calmly in Russian, saying over-and-over, “I will be home soon mother.”

Christ. You and your guys ok?

Yeah, just tired and mentally warped. At one point, we were running down the side of the road and —— slipped in a pool of blood running into the ditch from a still living Russian laying across the stripe (dead people don’t bleed very fast…only gravity feed), and he slid onto the shoulder and got up cussing with blood all over him. “get me some water, this fucking cunt probably has some kind of fulminating disease.” We almost fell over laughing.

Are we talking hundreds? Were they on foot or vehicles? There’s a video on Twitter somewhere purportedly from west of Kreminna. Actually just audio, nonstop gunfire.

Lots, just us, maybe 140 dead Russians. Like hunting squirrels in a pecan orchard. I have to think Lyman is under our control, but we have no info on that.

We all got split-up into smaller groups, too much contact going on to stay together. here with about 20 guys, trying to make contact with someone to get ammo.

Lot of people on foot, some running down the road, some trying to make their way through the forest to the south of the road. A half-a-dozen Russians came into the woods where we were in a hide to catch our breath and eat, they almost ran into us, but as usual, were moving fast and talking. We cut them down before they knew what was happening. They had little ammo, no med kits, very little food, and no info at all on them except for their phones and some family stuff. Trying to get intel off stiffs here is a very disappointing exercise.

I can’t imagine.

The road has been mined by artillery laydown, not all that accurate, but accurate enough to create bottlenecks, which creates a free-fire zone.

When you engage a vehicle, then seem to unass it in-place and head for the fields or the forest.

They probably see the same videos of vehicles going up catastrophically.

I came away shaking like a leaf, not scared, just wired and sick of killing people. On the way back —— got in a stream and washed off, and vomited his guts out. I was looking at his eyes and he was seeing things way back home.

How long ago did this happen? Is it still going on?

It is still going on. We had to back out to try to get resupplied. Artillery is going over our heads. We have to try to sleep, get ammo, and get back up there.

Take care of yourself, please.

There is a Yook Lieutenant here who is trying to get some kind of info, but so far nada. We don’t know if we are to go to Kreminna or head (direction).

Did you guys link up with the Ukrainian SOF?

We did, but all got separated, we took a lot of fire at first and had to move away, and lost contact with the main group.

I am ok, just too much jammed into a short time.

It must have been just chaos.

Yes.

The key is to get ammo.

It’s 8 am there. This went on all night?

Yeah, but then it became just killing people. I wish I knew what was going on toward Lyman. I think we will move (direction) and connect with an armored group, get some kit, and head back to (direction) of Kreminna. That is the talk anyway. And, that is kinda what I thought would play out.

Ok, I gotta try to sleep a bit, cause I think we will be moving before long.

That’s a good idea. Rest up, we’ll talk later.

Later