Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[SandYFan]

This particular thread is about gay marriage. It has been noted that a clerk is Kentucky is acting crazy. SandYFan responds with the FaceBook 101 response implying that we have no right to mock the crazy clerk unless we give equal outrage to some judge in California. This is a common and over-used logical fallacy called “tu quoque” (look it up - pretty sure I spelled it correctly!). In other words, rather than discuss the merits of this particular case on the facts, he tries to discredit any criticism of Ms. Davis based on a silly appeal to hypocrisy.

I'm sorry if I came across that way. You can definitely criticize Ms. Davis to your heart's content. Please don't think I am trying to dissuade that.

[falafel]

I have no idea what point the monkey is trying to make (I've read his posts above several times and still don't get it) but it's fun to watch him go after JL. Maybe someday I'll be smart enough to follow these spats.

If you're not now, you'll never be. Sjbh.

[creekster]

I have no idea what point the monkey is trying to make (I've read his posts above several times and still don't get it) but it's fun to watch him go after JL. Maybe someday I'll be smart enough to follow these spats.

No points. Every now and then I just like to throw a few peanuts. Like a chimp throwing turds to scatter the crowd, it amuses no one except the chimp.

[Omaha 680]

No points. Every now and then I just like to throw a few peanuts. Like a chimp throwing turds to scatter the crowd, it amuses no one except the chimp.

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank everyone in this thread who has shared their turds of knowledge.

[creekster]

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank everyone in this thread who has shared their turds of knowledge.

You're very welcome. I only hope I dont get In trouble again for not hewing closely enough to the topic

[CardiacCoug]

So funny and sad that the Repubs can't figure out that "religious freedom" doesn't mean the freedom to impose your religion on others.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm sorry if I came across that way. You can definitely criticize Ms. Davis to your heart's content. Please don't think I am trying to dissuade that.

OK, no worries.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ah, again with the peanuts reference. This is like your personal Vietnam strategy; declare victory and go home, whether or not you actually win.

Ha. Nobody has declared victory over anything. Knock it off.

Look, I don't care about this specific example. But your assertion that consistency is the dumbest way to analyze an issue is a categorical assertion that goes beyond this thread topic (as many of our discussions here do). Consistency is sometimes a very important consideration and is often the paramount consideration. If you think it is dumb to use it here, then you can say so, but to ridicule someone on the grounds that it is ALWAYS dumb and intellectually lazy does not advance the discussion nor add to the stated topic. Moreover, to do so while intentionally misquoting the authority you cite (why leave off the word foolish? It makes all the difference between supporting your position and not supporting it) is at least sloppy and at worst intellectually dishonest.

Now if you want to say that his example is inapplicable because it is "tu quoque" then go ahead. Your indictment of his position in response to my post was much clearer and on point than your original broad-brush fallacy. (btw, I am not sure he was presenting a "tu quoque position, as he was not suggesting the clerk's position was wrong based on her past inconsistent acts, but he was arguing that there is apparent bias in observers; but I am not a logician and am likely wrong about that.) So why not be specific, especially given that you are apparently hoping to tightly focus the discussion on the thread topic?

As to the constitution, who said we were going to undermine it? This sports (and more!) board is all just talk. Nothing we do here ever affects much of anything important. My point is that consistency is, sometimes, the most important factor. And there are important examples that prove this.

You don't care about this specific example, yet this example defines the very context or pattern for what I was referencing in regard to red-herring appeals to consistency. You are going to all this trouble to make sure we know that there are other contexts where consistency really matters? Uh.... OK.

I'm OK being in the peanut gallery, btw. I like the cheap seats. My kind of people. it's just that sometimes hyperbole goes too far for me.

Here is the deal. You almost never jump in and express your opinion on these things. You nitpick semantics and misspelled names and the omission of words like "foolish" rather than addressing the main topics of discussion. If I ask you your opinion you will respond with something snarky like "Why do I have to give my opinion?" That is totally fine, but I find it quite funny that you would get bent out of shape when I decline to defend my alleged lack of consistency.

[All-American]

So funny and sad that the Repubs can't figure out that "religious freedom" doesn't mean the freedom to impose your religion on others.

That's the funny thing. Turns out this woman is a democrat.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Last time wasn't a brag, this time is. I was googling "tu quoque" before it was cool.
http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1201064

[Harry Tic]

That's the funny thing. Turns out this woman is a democrat.

Kentucky Democrat = Republican

[clackamascoug]

Last time wasn't a brag, this time is. I was googling "tu quoque" before it was cool.
http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1201064

You made me look it up. It was highlighted as a previously viewed cookie. To my credit I didn't remember the term, and probably won't this time next week.

There's a special spot in Hell for County Clerks who won't issue gay marriage licenses.

[Uncle Ted]

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Wait... This crazy clerk lady is a democrat?

— She Was Elected To Her Position: Davis, a Democrat, won a 2014 election for Rowan County clerk handily — 53 percent to 46 percent.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...riage-licenses

[Commando]

Wait... This crazy clerk lady is a democrat?

Social Conservative, Fiscal Liberal! :rockon1:

[Northwestcoug]

It's early for me, so I might not be reading this Des News article correctly, but wow:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...sexuality.html

I kept waiting for the 'we should love our gay family members but not support sin' angle, but it never showed up. Just love and acceptance. And a repudiation of Oaks' teachings about how to deal with gay partners in your own home, attending gay weddings, etc.

It doesn't happen much around here, but kudos to Des News for a great article.