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  • #1876
    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Yeah, I like every quote in the article. Way to go, DHO.
    Just read the entire speech and it is great. In addition to calling out Kim Davis, he called out Jerry Brown and the other governors who refused to defend their state laws.

    Clear cases for the application of this principle are the public officials in the executive or judicial branch who enforce and interpret the laws. All such officials take an oath to support the constitution and laws of their jurisdiction. That oath does not leave them free to use their official position to further their personal beliefs—religious or otherwise—to override the law. Office holders remain free to draw upon their personal beliefs and motivations and advocate their positions in the public square. But when acting as public officials they are not free to apply personal convictions—religious or other—in place of the defined responsibilities of their public offices. All government officers should exercise their civil authority according to the principles and within the limits of civil government. A county clerk’s recent invoking of religious reasons to justify refusal by her office and staff to issue marriage licenses to same-gender couples violates this principle. Far more significant violations of the rule of law and democratic self-government occur when governors or attorneys general refuse to enforce or defend a law they oppose on personal grounds—secular or religious. Constitutional duties, including respect for the vital principle of separation of powers, are fundamental to the rule of law. Government officials must not apply these duties selectively according to their personal preferences—whatever their source.
    “Every player dreams of being a Yankee, and if they don’t it’s because they never got the chance.” Aroldis Chapman

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    • #1877
      This makes no sense at all. Children of same-sex couple cannot be blessed or baptized

      I guess they'll have to move out of the house if they want to get baptized. Weird.

      http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-churc...rom-membership

      "A natural or adopted child of a parent living in a same-gender relationship, whether the couple is married or cohabiting, may not receive a name and a blessing," the policy reads.

      Natural or adopted children living in a same-sex household will only be allowed to be baptized once they are 18, disavow the practice of same-sex cohabitation or marriage, and stop living within the household, according to the policy. Such baptism would still require the approval of the church's governing First Presidency.
      Also, looks like being in a same-sex marriage now constitutes apostasy

      http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-churc...dered-apostasy

      In addition to the previous definitions of apostasy, the new version declares members who "are in a same-gender marriage" qualify as apostate. Leaders are required to pursue church discipline for anyone who meets these definitions.
      This actually seems in line with an actual definition of apostasy so I guess I can't really criticize it other than to say it would be nice to just leave them be and not drag them into a disciplinary council for it.
      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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      • #1878
        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
        This makes no sense at all. Children of same-sex couple cannot be blessed or baptized

        I guess they'll have to move out of the house if they want to get baptized. Weird.

        http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-churc...rom-membership



        Also, looks like being in a same-sex marriage now constitutes apostasy

        http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-churc...dered-apostasy



        This actually seems in line with an actual definition of apostasy so I guess I can't really criticize it other than to say it would be nice to just leave them be and not drag them into a disciplinary council for it.
        Seems to follow the same policy that's been around for a long time for children living in polygamous families. They can't be baptized until they are 18 and disavow the polygamous lifestyle.
        "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV

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        • #1879
          So an 8 year old kid can't be baptized if he lives with his gay parents? Is the church really going there? Wow
          I'm like LeBron James.
          -mpfunk

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          • #1880
            this will surely end well
            Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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            • #1881
              I'm hoping this is a hoax. This policy is indefensible and inconsistent with LDS teachings.
              As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
              --Kendrick Lamar

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              • #1882
                Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                I'm hoping this is a hoax. This policy is indefensible and inconsistent with LDS teachings.
                Not a hoax.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • #1883
                  This means that a gay couple with children who wish to join the Church must divorce before baptism. Apparently the kids would be better off with only one parent in the home. Missionary work among gay parents is going to plummet!

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                  • #1884
                    Originally posted by kccougar View Post
                    Seems to follow the same policy that's been around for a long time for children living in polygamous families. They can't be baptized until they are 18 and disavow the polygamous lifestyle.
                    I agree except for the fact that policy is more to distance the church from polygamy. This new policy is weird. Both policies are wrong. I'm glad I'm not a bishop because there is no way I'd want to enforce this new policy. Thankfully, or unthankfully, there will be very little opportunities in the world where this will need to be enforced. Are there any active, church going gay married members?
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • #1885
                      Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                      I agree except for the fact that policy is more to distance the church from polygamy. This new policy is weird. Both policies are wrong. I'm glad I'm not a bishop because there is no way I'd want to enforce this new policy. Thankfully, or unthankfully, there will be very little opportunities in the world where this will need to be enforced. Are there any active, church going gay married members?
                      yes. in the ward i grew up in a two gay married dudes sing in the choir and regularly bear their testimonies. great guys, and they frequently bring their grandkids to church and are active in neighborhood stuff. this sucks.
                      Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                      • #1886
                        P5 conferences pay no attention here. Nothing to see move along
                        Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
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                        • #1887
                          If you believe that children choose their parents they they should be held accountable for choosing gay ones.
                          *Banned*

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                          • #1888
                            Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                            yes. in the ward i grew up in a two gay married dudes sing in the choir and regularly bear their testimonies. great guys, and they frequently bring their grandkids to church and are active in neighborhood stuff. this sucks.
                            Lol Davis county
                            *Banned*

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                            • #1889
                              I think the key takeaway is that we really need to stop being so welcoming to gay people. This should help.
                              Nothing lasts, but nothing is lost.
                              --William Blake, via Shpongle

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                              • #1890
                                2nd A of F to be amended

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