The Fiscal Cliff

[Bo Diddley]

Yea, pretty dumb idea to vote based on wealth. Kind of the reverse of letting those who don't pay taxes decide whether those who do should pay more.

I would be willing to give those who serve in the military two votes.

My second vote is up for grabs--highest bidder!

[Bo Diddley]

You save a lot of problems by having a flat tax on everybody.

This plus term limits. I'm on board.

[All-American]

This plus term limits. I'm on board.

Oh, screw you and anybody who thinks term limits is a good idea.

I say that with all due respect, of course.

[byu71]

You save a lot of problems by having a flat tax on everybody.

Actually I am becoming a believer. I think it was you who earlier talked about the "rich" will figure this out. They will shift income to children, they will invest in tax free's and capital gain items. They will actually go to work thinking about these things.

5 years from now we will still be bitching about how the wealthier got wealthier. Maybe even more as if what I fear happens is Obama's policies is going to move the middle class more in the direction of the poor, not the wealthy.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Yea, pretty dumb idea to vote based on wealth. Kind of the reverse of letting those who don't pay taxes decide whether those who do should pay more.

I would be willing to give those who serve in the military two votes.

Yeah, it's a tough problem, since very few at any income level are enthusiastic about raising their own taxes, but somehow find the courage to raise the taxes of others.

An enduring sore point with me was when the locals needed to raise a substantial amount of money to improve the area's roads. There were two options: a gas tax that everyone would pay in rough proportion to the amount they used the roads, or an additional toll on the area's bridges, which only 9% of the locals use with any regularity. Either tax would raise the same amount of money. Which would have been more fair? The gas tax was soundly defeated, and the bridge toll hike won easily.

[byu71]

Yeah, it's a tough problem, since very few at any income level are enthusiastic about raising their own taxes, but somehow find the courage to raise the taxes of others.

An enduring sore point with me was when the locals needed to raise a substantial amount of money to improve the area's roads. There were two options: a gas tax that everyone would pay in rough proportion to the amount they used the roads, or an additional toll on the area's bridges, which only 9% of the locals use with any regularity. Either tax would raise the same amount of money. Which would have been more fair? The gas tax was soundly defeated, and the bridge toll hike won easily.

LOL, I will have to admit if I didn't use the bridges, I would have voted for the tolls.

[The_Douger]

It won't happen, but it should.

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Maybe you should start a poll tax. Between that and being a DO, you could be awesome nearly all the time.

[il Padrino Ute]

Yeah, it's a tough problem, since very few at any income level are enthusiastic about raising their own taxes, but somehow find the courage to raise the taxes of others.

An enduring sore point with me was when the locals needed to raise a substantial amount of money to improve the area's roads. There were two options: a gas tax that everyone would pay in rough proportion to the amount they used the roads, or an additional toll on the area's bridges, which only 9% of the locals use with any regularity. Either tax would raise the same amount of money. Which would have been more fair? The gas tax was soundly defeated, and the bridge toll hike won easily.

Those bridges never should have been built, because water obstacles for commuters are the Almighty's way of warning folks about tax hikes.

[All-American]

Actually I am becoming a believer. I think it was you who earlier talked about the "rich" will figure this out. They will shift income to children, they will invest in tax free's and capital gain items. They will actually go to work thinking about these things.

5 years from now we will still be bitching about how the wealthier got wealthier. Maybe even more as if what I fear happens is Obama's policies is going to move the middle class more in the direction of the poor, not the wealthy.

One of my law school professors wrote an article once upon a time detailing what would happen if taxes should be raised on his family, which (with the income he and his wife were respectively bringing in) just eclipsed the $250,000 mark. He noted that with less money to go around, he might have to dismiss the nanny, fire the gardner, or, if things really got tight, have one or the other stop working, or at least cut back the number of hours earned. Any way they went about it, somebody would be losing income, and thus, tax dollars, all for the sake of paying somebody in the department of transportation a six-figure salary.

He was eviscerated, of course, as people didn't feel terribly sympathetic about somebody earning $250,000, but it was never an emotional argument-- strictly an empiracle one that looked directly at the pocketbook and how laws would affect it.

[LA Ute]

Looks like we might be emulating Portugal more than Greece.

[doctorcoug]

Maybe you should start a poll tax. Between that and being a DO, you could be awesome nearly all the time.

DO smack from a midlevel...that is what is awesome. You don't know what you don't know; Unconsciously incompetent.

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[The_Douger]

DO smack from a midlevel...that is what is awesome. You don't know what you don't know; Unconsciously incompetent.

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Haha. Fun stuff from you. Mentioning that you're a DO is smack? Sounds like you're the one with a problem with what you are if that's smack. Flu is hard to diagnose, btw.

Keep being awesome.

[All-American]

Haha. Fun stuff from you. Mentioning that you're a DO is smack? Sounds like you're the one with a problem with what you are if that's smack. Flu is hard to diagnose, btw.

Keep being awesome.

Hey, I'm a doctor too.

[frank ryan]

Are you being sarcastic? There isn't anything wrong in my hearing this, but I have heard over and over again the plight of the poor, the middle class, minorities, women who can't get contraceptives.

Who won the election. Most analysts talk about how the campaign wasn't won on issues, especially economic issues.

Again if you were being sarcastic, it might have been too subtle.

The GOP outspent the democrats that election cycle which makes it all the more damning.

You then have to consider Unions for example as part of the wealthy. Planned parenthood, NOW, media, entertainers, et.al. as part of the wealthy.

I am not arguing the wealthy don't have influence, but it is not valid to claim they are the only ones.

Unions aren't wealthy. Even if they were it wouldn't matter because they aren't people like corporations are. Unions don't have nearly the scratch to throw around like companies do. They do have people power though.
and doctorcoug, empathy matters. It isn't all about money.

[Mormon Red Death]

The GOP outspent the democrats that election cycle which makes it all the more damning.

Unions aren't wealthy. Even if they were it wouldn't matter because they aren't people like corporations are. Unions don't have nearly the scratch to throw around like companies do. They do have people power though.
and doctorcoug, empathy matters. It isn't all about money.

what unions are you talking about? Afl-cio has several billion in their veba accounts alone.

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