The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[BlueK]

Was this endorsement by Robert C Oaks ever posted? Really weird piece. Wonder if he still supports him.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...ss.html?pg=all

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[Topper]

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I think back to George Will's comment about Hillary being wrong on everything but not as crazy as Trump. I get that some GOP voters will hold their noses and vote for Trump. And voting for a third party is essentially deleting votes from the GOP, which benefits the Democratic candidate.

A Democratic voter who votes third party is deleting votes as the Democratic candidate deletes emails from the Democratic ledger.

I can't understand how a fiscally conservative voter could ever cast a vote for Hillary. If you have socialist, progressive leanings, by all means. But voting for somebody who opposes everything which you find valuable? That makes no sense to me.

Vote third party to send a message. Never vote for the outright opposition.

[BlueK]

I think back to George Will's comment about Hillary being wrong on everything but not as crazy as Trump. I get that some GOP voters will hold their noses and vote for Trump. And voting for a third party is essentially deleting votes from the GOP, which benefits the Democratic candidate.

A Democratic voter who votes third party is deleting votes as the Democratic candidate deletes emails from the Democratic ledger.

I can't understand how a fiscally conservative voter could ever cast a vote for Hillary. If you have socialist, progressive leanings, by all means. But voting for somebody who opposes everything which you find valuable? That makes no sense to me.

Vote third party to send a message. Never vote for the outright opposition.

This what I think will happen:
Trump is only going to get crazier from here. He'll fire up the crazies but he'll lose anyone halfway normal, won't gain anyone still on the fence, and will get trounced in the electoral college. After he loses he will not concede no matter how bad the numbers are. He will say it was rigged and some of his crazier supporters will riot.

OR

Knowing he's about to lose he decides to withdraw at the very last minute so he can say he didn't actually lose but just lost interest, or he was going to win but it was rigged. That way he walks away a "winner" and he can still give the finger to the GOP. And some of his crazier supporters still overturn cars and burn some couches.

The only hope to salvage some sanity is to work for the GOP to hold onto the House. I don't think they can keep the senate. Unfortunately those working toward that end are now not only going against the dems but against their own freaking presidential nominee who is already telling voters to vote democrat if their rep is not sufficiently "loyal" to Trump. He cares only about himself.

[Northwestcoug]

This what I think will happen:
Trump is only going to get crazier from here. He'll fire up the crazies but he'll lose anyone halfway normal, won't gain anyone still on the fence, and will get trounced in the electoral college. After he loses he will not concede no matter how bad the numbers are. He will say it was rigged and some of this crazier supporters will riot.

OR

Knowing he's about to lose he decides to withdraw at the very last minute so he can say he didn't actually lose but just lost interest, or he was going to win but it was rigged. That way he walks away a "winner" and he can still give the finger to the GOP. And some of his crazier supporters still overturn cars and burn some couches.

The only hope to salvage some sanity is to work for the GOP to hold onto the House. I don't think they can keep the senate. Unfortunately those working toward that end are now not only going against the dems but against their own freaking presidential nominee who is already telling voters to vote democrat if their rep is not sufficiently "loyal" to Trump. He cares only about himself.

A bad outcome either way is inevitable. And let me add, a vote for a third party will still produce a bad outcome.

Time to start thinking about the long game. The republican party that most sane conservative people support is in its death throes right now. We can either give it some palliative medicine and let it survive until the next election, just in time for Trump supporters to wreak havoc again. Or, we can administer the mercy kill, and hope that 4 years will be enough time for a serious conservative political party to rise up. A vote for third party just minimizes a Clinton victory, and allows a fetid republican party to limp along, powerless to fight off a Trump-like takeover. But, (looking at MBN, YO, and you too PAC) a Clinton and democratic landslide will reverberate through every level of the republican party. It will make them realize how much Clinton Derangement Syndrome and right-wing media crazy has overtaken the party, and will plan accordingly to become a serious party again. A Clinton landslide, brought about in no small part by normally right-leaning voters, is the only outcome that will allow the GOP to excise the (real and perceived) bigotry and ignorance that has overtaken its base.

Or not. But hey, it's still worth a shot. Clinton 2016 by a landslide!

[Maximus]

A bad outcome either way is inevitable. And let me add, a vote for a third party will still produce a bad outcome.

Time to start thinking about the long game. The republican party that most sane conservative people support is in its death throes right now. We can either give it some palliative medicine and let it survive until the next election, just in time for Trump supporters to wreak havoc again. Or, we can administer the mercy kill, and hope that 4 years will be enough time for a serious conservative political party to rise up. A vote for third party just minimizes a Clinton victory, and allows a fetid republican party to limp along, powerless to fight off a Trump-like takeover. But, (looking at MBN, YO, and you too PAC) a Clinton and democratic landslide will reverberate through every level of the republican party. It will make them realize how much Clinton Derangement Syndrome and right-wing media crazy has overtaken the party, and will plan accordingly to become a serious party again. A Clinton landslide, brought about in no small part by normally right-leaning voters, is the only outcome that will allow the GOP to excise the (real and perceived) bigotry and ignorance that has overtaken its base.

Or not. But hey, it's still worth a shot. Clinton 2016 by a landslide!

clinton is going to win in a big landslide regardless of how utah or anyone here votes.

[Jeff Lebowski]

There is a small part of me that is going to miss this election cycle.

https://www.facebook.com/CAFE/videos/1711284269194459/

[BlueK]

clinton is going to win in a big landslide regardless of how utah or anyone here votes.

That's possibly what is needed to reject the most idiotic of Trump's ideas and nonsense and hopefully clear that crap out of the GOP. What I think may also have to happen is for Steve Bannon and Trump to go off to form their own party so the "alt right" will have a political home to attract the wingnuts of the party.

[imanihonjin]

A bad outcome either way is inevitable. And let me add, a vote for a third party will still produce a bad outcome.

Time to start thinking about the long game. The republican party that most sane conservative people support is in its death throes right now. We can either give it some palliative medicine and let it survive until the next election, just in time for Trump supporters to wreak havoc again. Or, we can administer the mercy kill, and hope that 4 years will be enough time for a serious conservative political party to rise up. A vote for third party just minimizes a Clinton victory, and allows a fetid republican party to limp along, powerless to fight off a Trump-like takeover. But, (looking at MBN, YO, and you too PAC) a Clinton and democratic landslide will reverberate through every level of the republican party. It will make them realize how much Clinton Derangement Syndrome and right-wing media crazy has overtaken the party, and will plan accordingly to become a serious party again. A Clinton landslide, brought about in no small part by normally right-leaning voters, is the only outcome that will allow the GOP to excise the (real and perceived) bigotry and ignorance that has overtaken its base.

Or not. But hey, it's still worth a shot. Clinton 2016 by a landslide!

The type of outcome you are advocating will embolden the Democrats. They will take it as a mandate and run wild. You might say, well good that will hurt them big time in 4 years, but I don't really want to see what they can accomplish in the meantime. I hope HRC limps past the finish line and that the next 4 years are complete gridlock.

[BlueK]

How the GOP establishment decided to play nice with Trump when he looked to take the nomination in order to avoid chaos, but unfortunately for them, Trump is creating that chaos anyway. As if anyone should be surprised:

"The party’s leaders were afraid Trump would rage against them if they denied him the nomination; instead, he is raging against them for refusing to go to the mat for his caught-on-tape misogyny and pornographic boasts. They were afraid of infuriating his core voters by opposing him at the convention; instead, they are infuriating his core voters by keeping him at arm’s length in the election’s final stretch. They feared a war of Republican against Republican, conservative against conservative; they have one. They feared a turnout collapse, an inevitable defeat; they will most likely get both."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/op...ml?ref=opinion

[imanihonjin]

There is a small part of me that is going to miss this election cycle.

https://www.facebook.com/CAFE/videos/1711284269194459/

Oh, my. I am equally sad for this fellow and frightened by him.

[BlueK]

Oh, my. I am equally sad for this fellow and frightened by him.

what's his take on Mormons?

[Topper]

A bad outcome either way is inevitable. And let me add, a vote for a third party will still produce a bad outcome.

Time to start thinking about the long game. The republican party that most sane conservative people support is in its death throes right now. We can either give it some palliative medicine and let it survive until the next election, just in time for Trump supporters to wreak havoc again. Or, we can administer the mercy kill, and hope that 4 years will be enough time for a serious conservative political party to rise up. A vote for third party just minimizes a Clinton victory, and allows a fetid republican party to limp along, powerless to fight off a Trump-like takeover. But, (looking at MBN, YO, and you too PAC) a Clinton and democratic landslide will reverberate through every level of the republican party. It will make them realize how much Clinton Derangement Syndrome and right-wing media crazy has overtaken the party, and will plan accordingly to become a serious party again. A Clinton landslide, brought about in no small part by normally right-leaning voters, is the only outcome that will allow the GOP to excise the (real and perceived) bigotry and ignorance that has overtaken its base.

Or not. But hey, it's still worth a shot. Clinton 2016 by a landslide!

I cannot understand this thinking. How could a fiscal conservative ever vote for somebody who is NOT fiscally conservative and whose party has no fiscal conservative tendencies? Clinton would interpret the "landslide" as a mandate for her false precepts. Voting for a third party will signal to the GOP, to shape up. We need to minimize the impact of a Clinton victory to forestall her actions. If the Dems have the Senate and the House, we're fucked. I will commence smoking what Bill never inhaled.

[Northwestcoug]

clinton is going to win in a big landslide regardless of how utah or anyone here votes.

A handful of normally solidly red states turning blue will be more important, even in the event of a general landslide. If republicans won't be able to count on Utah or other red states anymore, they will change.

The type of outcome you are advocating will embolden the Democrats. They will take it as a mandate and run wild. You might say, well good that will hurt them big time in 4 years, but I don't really want to see what they can accomplish in the meantime. I hope HRC limps past the finish line and that the next 4 years are complete gridlock.

So let the dems run wild. The country is stable enough to withstand a season of the democrats' wildest dreams. If they screw it up as much as you say they will, that will only help hone the subsequent republican platform.

[hostile]

There is a small part of me that is going to miss this election cycle.

https://www.facebook.com/CAFE/videos/1711284269194459/

I told you it was going to be awesome.

[Topper]

A handful of normally solidly red states turning blue will be more important, even in the event of a general landslide. If republicans won't be able to count on Utah or other red states anymore, they will change.



So let the dems run wild. The country is stable enough to withstand a season of the democrats' wildest dreams. If they screw it up as much as you say they will, that will only help hone the subsequent republican platform.

But the changes the Dems will wreak will be irreversible.