The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[Uncle Ted]

Oh, these Russian hackers are good... They were meddling in France's election but made it look like it was the CIA that was doing it.

WikiLeaks releases secret 'CIA spy orders' exposing surveillance of French election

WikiLeaks, the whistleblowing organisation, has leaked what it purports to be a series of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) spying orders issued in 2012 against all political parties in France in the months leading up to the country's presidential election that year.


The surveillance orders, which cover both human (Humint) and electronic (Sigint) forms of spying, name a number of specific targets, including then-president Nicolas Sarkozy, current President Francois Hollande, now-candidate Marine Le Pen and former candidate Dominique Strauss-Khan.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/wikileaks-r...ection-1607011

[Uncle Ted]

Are the dems are finally coming to the realization that rigging their primary hurt their party?

Samuel Ronan: DNC always been 'an insider's game'

Samuel Ronan, a US veteran competing to head the Democratic National Committee, said the party's primary was rigged because the DNC is "an insider's game."


"Not only was the primary rigged, it was rigged all across the country because the DNC has never allowed outsiders or brand new people to rise through the ranks. It has always been an insider's game," he said Wednesday at a debate sponsored by CNN. "It has been that way for a very, very long time. That is where that lack of trust is coming into play."
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"Because not only was Bernie Sanders snubbed, not only did it look like Hillary Clinton had fought or muscled her way into it, then those supporters were denied a chance to speak at the convention," he said. " And that was the final straw."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/23/po...-samuel-ronan/

I might be giving them too much credit.

[byu71]

Are the dems are finally coming to the realization that rigging their primary hurt their party?


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/23/po...-samuel-ronan/

I might be giving them too much credit.

My question would be if it is an insider game and has been, how did Obama beat HRC?

[Pelado]

My question would be if it is an insider game and has been, how did Obama beat HRC?

Better insiders?

[Uncle Ted]

My question would be if it is an insider game and has been, how did Obama beat HRC?

Wasn't Bernie his own party before becoming a democrat? Obama was always a dem.

Poser democrats should be given equal consideration. They shouldn't discriminate just because Bernie looks different and does his hair funny. That is very un-liberal of them.

[byu71]

Wasn't Bernie his own party before becoming a democrat? Obama was always a dem.

Poser democrats should be given equal consideration. They shouldn't discriminate just because Bernie looks different and does his hair funny. That is very un-liberal of them.

I agree, insiders threw it for HRC vs Bernie. At least they greased the skids.

However, 8 years earlier I would have thought HRC and her crew were the insiders and BO was the outsider.

[Uncle Ted]

I agree, insiders threw it for HRC vs Bernie. At least they greased the skids.

However, 8 years earlier I would have thought HRC and her crew were the insiders and BO was the outsider.

Maybe HRC didn't want a repeat of 2008... Therefore, she got all her people in place at the DNC and as superdelegates to guarantee that she would get the nomination. What she didn't count on is the GOP would pick a complete outsider, someone who never held a public office to run against her. Sad.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

When they throw out "states rights," it seems that they mean "red states rights."

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[creekster]

When they throw out "states rights," it seems that they mean "red states rights."

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you do appreciate the difference, right? Congress, comprised of state representatives, passed federal laws making certain drugs illegal, which action is unquestionably constituional. States ignore or flout such laws at their peril. It has always been so. The transgender bathroom thing, by comparison, was an executive order or agency directive that was not passed through congress. Sort of different.

While I think his methods and explanations and approaches are horrible, I am not opposed to Trump's resurrection of the notion of a meaningful sphere of influence for the states.

[Uncle Ted]

you do appreciate the difference, right? Congress, comprised of state representatives, passed federal laws making certain drugs illegal, which action is unquestionably constituional. States ignore or flout such laws at their peril. It has always been so. The transgender bathroom thing, by comparison, was an executive order or agency directive that was not passed through congress. Sort of different

While I think his methods and explanations and approaches are horrible, I am not opposed to Trump's resurrection of the notion of a meaningful sphere of influence for the states.

Speaking of that transgender bathroom thing... how's it working out for y'all?

Seattle man tests transgender rule by undressing in women's locker room

Last week, a man undressed in a women's locker room, citing a new state rule that allows people to choose a bathroom based on gender identity.


Around 5:30 p.m. on Feb. 8, a man wearing board shorts entered the women's locker room at Evans Pool and took off his shirt, according to Seattle Parks and Recreation.


Women alerted staff, who told the man to leave, but he said "the law has changed and I have a right to be here."


As far as policy to protect everyone, Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami says they're still working on the issue. Right now, there's no specific protocol for how someone should demonstrate their gender in order to access a bathroom. Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance, and this man offered neither.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...room/80501904/

Not so well in Texas...

NBA joins NFL in warning Texas over proposed ‘bathroom bill’

The NBA is warning Texas over a proposed “bathroom bill” targeting transgender people that is similar to a North Carolina law that prompted the league to move the All-Star Game out of that state.


The NBA on Friday joined the NFL in suggesting that Texas will be overlooked for future big events if lawmakers pass a bill requiring people to use bathrooms that correspond to the sex on their birth certificate.
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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/02/18/...bathroom-bill/

[myboynoah]

People have gotten so caught up in winning that they seem to have forgotten the basic principles for which they voted for so many years. Watching Bannon get cheered at CPAC for touting his populist, nationalist chaos agenda is weird. And disturbing.

[New Mexican Disaster]

People have gotten so caught up in winning that they seem to have forgotten the basic principles for which they voted for so many years. Watching Bannon get cheered at CPAC for touting his populist, nationalist chaos agenda is weird. And disturbing.

Probably because many of them never really believed in the principles in the first place. In a two party system a lot of people are in bed with people they don't like much and share almost nothing in common with.

[Northwestcoug]

Probably because many of them never really believed in the principles in the first place. In a two party system a lot of people are in bed with people they don't like much and share almost nothing in common with.

The more I obsess over this, the more I believe a two-party system is fundamentally flawed. Parliamentary democracy is the way of the future!

[Uncle Ted]

Probably because many of them never really believed in the principles in the first place. In a two party system a lot of people are in bed with people they don't like much and share almost nothing in common with.

Yeah, this keeps me voting for the libertarians... maybe someday more folks will wake up and do the same.

[Uncle Ted]

Not to be out done by Obama Drumpf blocks not just CNN but also the NYTimes, LATimes, and Politico from the white house media briefing.