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  • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
    Has anyone heard whether Trump has a larger percent of the Evangelical vote than Romney did.
    actually an interesting study on that here: http://bfy.tw/7icc
    Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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    • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
      actually an interesting study on that here: http://bfy.tw/7icc
      Thanks. Of course the candidate running for the dems is Hillary not President Obama, so may there is more of an anti Hillary vote in the Evangelical community. I just don't get the animosity toward mormons from those who are pretty conservative in their beliefs.

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      • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
        Thanks. Of course the candidate running for the dems is Hillary not President Obama, so may there is more of an anti Hillary vote in the Evangelical community. I just don't get the animosity toward mormons from those who are pretty conservative in their beliefs.
        They don't like Obama either. Maybe they like Hillary even less, but I would bet the difference there is much smaller than the difference in how much more they've embraced Trump over Romney. Living among lots of Evangelicals, I would say I think the problem is Evangelicals actually perceive Mormons to be socially liberal compared to themselves. I know that makes no sense to mormons or non-Evangelicals in general, but it's true. Evangelicals are just weird that way. All they could talk about with Romney in 2012 and especially 2008 was how he's soft on abortion, gay rights, etc.
        Last edited by BlueK; 09-15-2016, 11:07 AM.

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        • I am in utter amazement that this race is close. I believed Hillary was very even likely beatable by a decent candidate but I clearly overestimated her. Trump is the worst candidate in perhaps history - except for maybe Hillary Clinton.
          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
          -General George S. Patton

          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
          -DOCTOR Wuap

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          • Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
            I am in utter amazement that this race is close. I believed Hillary was very even likely beatable by a decent candidate but I clearly overestimated her. Trump is the worst candidate in perhaps history - except for maybe Hillary Clinton.
            I said from the beginning that Hillary was not electable. That was before Trump was the GOP frontrunner. I agree that they are the two worst candidates in history--at least in my memory.

            On another note, I love how Trump's son says that the 15,000 page tax return would detract from Trump's message. Even if it did, that's probably not the right way to justify not releasing it. The length only underscores that he's a part of the 1%, and also how many loopholes he's taking advantage of. So don't release the return. Give us some totals of basic categories like say effective tax rate.

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            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              You and I clearly disagree on just how awful Trump is.
              Not likely by much, but I think we are further apart on just how awful The Scold is.
              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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              • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                And?

                She's a horrible candidate and a horrible person. That drags her down, but he's such a buffoon all she needs to do is cruise control to victory. He'll do something stupid here pretty soon that will bring his numbers back down. It's his cycle. That's science.

                Trump has a following that is going to get him at least 40% off the bat. That next 11% is near impossible unless she comes across as even more horrible than she has already. If she does that, she deserves to lose and you can take out your anger and angst on her. Like that basket of deplorables comment. How can anyone not deplore her for that comment? She deserves to lose if she keeps that up.

                But this is not going to happen.
                The cycle could be starting again.

                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                  The cycle could be starting again.

                  That is certainly distasteful but like 1 billionth down on the list of distasteful things about the Donald and besides, it was his son who said it.

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                  • Originally posted by imanihonjin View Post
                    That is certainly distasteful but like 1 billionth down on the list of distasteful things about the Donald and besides, it was his son who said it.
                    These cycles start this way. The Dump is also taking on a black woman preacher who interrupted his speech yesterday.
                    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                    Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                    • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                      These cycles start this way. The Dump is also taking on a black woman preacher who interrupted his speech yesterday.
                      You absolutely could be right, but this election cycle has been amazing to me. Trump has said whatever he wants and many times I have thought that the latest stupid thing would be the thing to finally unravel his presidential bid, but it never does. Hillary is taking it on the chin over the health issues and will until she can do something to move people on to another issue. Maybe the Donald will do something so over the top that she won't have to, but honestly, what would that even look like? He has done so many stupid things and it just doesn't seem to matter.

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                      • Nate Silver has Trump's chances at 39%, it appears Hillary's Weekend at Bernies audition is affecting recent polls.
                        Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                        • I've never watched presidential election returns without a candidate I was actively rooting for. This should fun.

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                          • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                            actually an interesting study on that here: http://bfy.tw/7icc
                            Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                            Thanks. Of course the candidate running for the dems is Hillary not President Obama, so may there is more of an anti Hillary vote in the Evangelical community. I just don't get the animosity toward mormons from those who are pretty conservative in their beliefs.
                            What a great community we have here! First time in the history of the internet a sincere thanks was given to a LMGTFY link.

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                            • Pretty much:

                              "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                              "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                              - SeattleUte

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                              • I'll be damned. Mexico is going to pay for the border wall!
                                http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mmigrants.html

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