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  • Florida appears to be tightening. Monmouth just released a poll (the only public poll in Florida in March?) that shows Rubio down 8 to Trump. An anti-Trump group claimed over the weekend that they have polling that shows Rubio only down 5.

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    • Originally posted by snowcat View Post
      My worry is that many (most?) of his voters support him in hopes that he does mean it.
      Agreed. Trump doesn't get a passionate, cult-like following from gullible people unless they truly believe he means what he's saying.

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      • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
        Florida appears to be tightening. Monmouth just released a poll (the only public poll in Florida in March?) that shows Rubio down 8 to Trump. An anti-Trump group claimed over the weekend that they have polling that shows Rubio only down 5.
        Which would be consistent with the trend we saw playing out on Saturday. Trump is losing ground and the attacks have been working to some extent. Without early voting Cruz would have won in Louisiana. This article analyzes what happened. I think nationally Cruz is starting to get most of the benefit, but in certain places like Florida (and Puerto Rico) Rubio may still benefit. Also, in Florida you have to keep in mind the contrasts of different parts of that state. Where Trump would be set to win big against Rubio is in the panhandle. Well, that's where Cruz should do very well. I know the conventional wisdom is that Cruz working harder in Florida hurts Rubio most, but I don't necessarily agree. If Cruz can soften Trump's support in the panhandle, Rubio is set to take the parts of Florida with high Hispanic populations.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-in-louisiana/
        Last edited by BlueK; 03-07-2016, 01:03 PM.

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        • The MSM may have jumped off of the Trump bandwagon a bit too soon. I have heard him more often say CNN has been good him more than he has said Fox has been. I think I have actually even heard him say MSNBC has been fair to him more often than I have heard him say so about Fox. The MSNBC thing may be Joe and Mika based. They love Trump. I think mainly because as they claim, they saw the Trump phenom long before the other pundits.

          He was good for ratings and can anyone honestly deny the MSM would far rather have Trump as the republican candidate?

          Rubio is dead on right in one thing. Once Trump has the nomination locked up and goes up against Hillary, they will tear him to pieces. They have enough ammo now, why aren't they actively using it yet?

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          • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
            It is an accepted fact you are an intelligent fellow. Why diminish that wit the trump/Hitler stuff?
            This is a great tip, '71. If you would just keep coaching me on how to sound intelligent when I post, I would really appreciate it.
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            • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
              The MSM may have jumped off of the Trump bandwagon a bit too soon. I have heard him more often say CNN has been good him more than he has said Fox has been. I think I have actually even heard him say MSNBC has been fair to him more often than I have heard him say so about Fox. The MSNBC thing may be Joe and Mika based. They love Trump. I think mainly because as they claim, they saw the Trump phenom long before the other pundits.

              He was good for ratings and can anyone honestly deny the MSM would far rather have Trump as the republican candidate?

              Rubio is dead on right in one thing. Once Trump has the nomination locked up and goes up against Hillary, they will tear him to pieces. They have enough ammo now, why aren't they actively using it yet?
              Scarborough and Mika do not love Trump. I watch them every day. They are softballish when they talk to him so he'll come back, but they don't "like" him by any means if you listen to what they say when he's not being interviewed. Neither one of them wants him to win, Mika especially. And Joe would rather see Cruz or Rubio. What they don't do is bash Trump supporters. But they don't really like Trump. I think they're just resigned to the fact that he's a major phenomenon and deal with that accordingly. And then the usual panel of commentators they have on there are very decidedly NOT in the pro-Trump crowd.
              Last edited by BlueK; 03-07-2016, 01:30 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                This is a great tip, '71. If you would just keep coaching me on how to sound intelligent when I post, I would really appreciate it.
                Even I am smart enough to recognize the sarcasm. If you don't want to answer the question I understand. Keep them guessing as to whether you really are that smart.

                Since I know you are, I give you the benefit of the doubt with some of the stuff you come up with. Although I no longer am into trolling, I do understand the merits and fund it provides.

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                • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                  Scarborough and Mika do not love Trump. I watch them every day. They are softballish when they talk to him so he'll come back, but they don't "like" him by any means if you listen to what they say when he's not being interviewed. What they don't do is bash Trump supporters so much. But they don't really like Trump. I think they're just resigned to the fact that he's a major phenomenon and deal with that accordingly.
                  Oh my gosh. How long have you been watching the show. Mika has been a friend of Trump's forever. I agree they, especially Mika dislike his positions, but when they have him on it is kid gloves treatment.

                  Have you heard them go off on Rubio. How about Romney. How about any reasonable republican. They hammer them. Especially Joe with his know it all and when "I was" stuff. I enjoyed him several years ago. He more and more knows where his bread is buttered and Mika is awful.

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                  • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
                    Oh my gosh. How long have you been watching the show. Mika has been a friend of Trump's forever. I agree they, especially Mika dislike his positions, but when they have him on it is kid gloves treatment.

                    Have you heard them go off on Rubio. How about Romney. How about any reasonable republican. They hammer them. Especially Joe with his know it all and when "I was" stuff. I enjoyed him several years ago. He more and more knows where his bread is buttered and Mika is awful.
                    What they go off on the the other candidates about is their political tactics and mistakes, but not their ideology. There is a difference. Rubio has made some huge mistakes during the campaign which is why he finds himself in this predicament. Pointing that out doesn't mean they hate him or what he stands for.Same with Romney. And while I liked what Romney said about Trump, I can understand the other side that says he should stay out of it. Joe has talked many times over the years about the need for the GOP to adopt a more friendly, reasonable stance on immigration or they will never again regain the Hispanic vote. That seems to be pretty pro-reasonable republican to me.

                    With Trump they disagree on the ideology but are nice to him when he's on so he'll want to keep coming back. They're actually civil and nice to all their guests. That doesn't mean they agree with them. I think we've gotten so used to the tactics of the Becks, Limbaughs, Hannitys and O'Reillys that we now equate being civil with guests with meaning that we embrace every single thing about them and their positions. Or if we disagree with them we have to talk about them like they're satan. I'm just saying there is a little more nuance to Morning Joe than most of what's on the cable network shows, which is why I've been a regular viewer as long as it's been on.
                    Last edited by BlueK; 03-07-2016, 01:59 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      Trump can't do anything about federal court First Amendment cases. His promise to change libel laws is a good example of pure windbaggery.
                      Kind of like Roe v. Wade has settled the abortion issue and there isn't anything conservatives can do about it?

                      https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/co...er-court-reins

                      Seems like Trump could cause plenty of trouble for the press even if it doesn't stick long term.

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                      • Originally posted by beefytee View Post
                        Kind of like Roe v. Wade has settled the abortion issue and there isn't anything conservatives can do about it?

                        https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/co...er-court-reins

                        Seems like Trump could cause plenty of trouble for the press even if it doesn't stick long term.
                        Agreed. Whether politicians really mean what they say or not, they should still be held responsible at the ballot box for advocating really bad ideas.

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                        • #TrumpShowUsYourPenis (A little NSFW)



                          I think I would rather see his tax returns.
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                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • How many Trump supporters do you personally know?

                            For me, it's only one guy at work. No one else I know about. If anything, this election seems to be about class structure more than we've seen in the past. It's starting to feel kind of third-worldish to me.
                            Last edited by BlueK; 03-07-2016, 02:18 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                              Which would be consistent with the trend we saw playing out on Saturday. Trump is losing ground and the attacks have been working to some extent. Without early voting Cruz would have won in Louisiana. This article analyzes what happened. I think nationally Cruz is starting to get most of the benefit, but in certain places like Florida (and Puerto Rico) Rubio may still benefit. Also, in Florida you have to keep in mind the contrasts of different parts of that state. Where Trump would be set to win big against Rubio is in the panhandle. Well, that's where Cruz should do very well. I know the conventional wisdom is that Cruz working harder in Florida hurts Rubio most, but I don't necessarily agree. If Cruz can soften Trump's support in the panhandle, Rubio is set to take the parts of Florida with high Hispanic populations.

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-in-louisiana/
                              PPP just released an Ohio poll with Kasich down only 3 to Trump.

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                              • Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
                                PPP just released an Ohio poll with Kasich down only 3 to Trump.
                                if trump loses florida and ohio we can all breath again

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