The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

[beefytee]

You obviously still are clueless to Trump's nonsense. He believes a quarter of what he says. Trump isn't stupid and he knows damn well he can't do a thing about libel laws, since they're directly connected to the first amendment as they relate to public figures.

Trumps has sued and threatened to sue quite often over ridiculous things, including the press. The man would love more power to bully his detractors whether that is actually winning libel lawsuits or simply having stronger threats through them. His actions speak just as loud as his words. This is one area where you have no claim on Trump just being all talk.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/03/the-lawsuits-of-donald-trump/273819/

http://fortune.com/2015/08/14/donald-trump-lawsuits/

In the 1980s, Trump had plans to build a tower in Manhattan that would be taller than the Sears (now Willis) Tower. When a writer for the Chicago Tribune expressed doubts that would happen, Trump sued the newspaper. At the time, Trump hadn't even hired an architect yet, according to the Daily Beast.

In January 2006, Trump filed a $5 billion lawsuit against author Timothy O'Brien and his publisher for understating Trump's wealth. In his book Trump Nation, O'Brien reported that three people close to Trump had estimated his worth at between $150 and $250 million. Trump, who said he had told O'Brien that he was worth between $4 billion and $6 billion, claimed that O'Brien's low estimate had hurt his reputation and cost him specific business deals. Trump's suit was dismissed in July 2009, and his subsequent appeal failed in September 2011. "Essentially the judge just said 'Trump is too famous,'" Trump told Atlantic author William D. Cohan. " 'He's so famous that you're allowed to say anything you want about him.' Well, I disagree with that."

[Northwestcoug]

lol, an article from Christian Times, the fountain of conspiracy theories concerning Mormons.

You've found your muse.

That paper is against Romney because of his religion?!?

No thanks; I have standards. But I'll lend an ear to theories about Romney keeping his options open, including accepting a nomination after a brokered convention. I'm not sure why you think it's such a far stretch to believe Romney is playing coy with us.

[SeattleUte]

Don't be ridiculous. No other candidate in modern history has vowed to muzzle the press like Trump has done.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/28/opinions/trump-first-amendment-protections-opinion-randazza/

And this was not an isolated incident. He vowed to go after Amazon after Bezos purchased a controlling interest in the Washington Post.

Here is the full quote. Just read it and let the implications sink in for a moment.



"Loves the press", my ass.

Trump can't do anything about federal court First Amendment cases. His promise to change libel laws is a good example of pure windbaggery.

[myboynoah]

That paper is against Romney because of his religion?!?

No thanks; I have standards. But I'll lend an ear to theories about Romney keeping his options open, including accepting a nomination after a brokered convention. I'm not sure why you think it's such a far stretch to believe Romney is playing coy with us.

Because listening to Mitt on Sunday it is clear that he has no interest in running. He's intent on stopping Trump.

[byu71]

That paper is against Romney because of his religion?!?

No thanks; I have standards. But I'll lend an ear to theories about Romney keeping his options open, including accepting a nomination after a brokered convention. I'm not sure why you think it's such a far stretch to believe Romney is playing coy with us.

One of the Reasons I liked Mitt was I thought he was a manipulative coy politician just like the democrats have perfected. You know fire with fire.

When we have the 3 party system like we do, you better be able to be manipulative when you are the in the party the other two parties side against.

I would like you PC authorities to help me out on something. Riding back from the dentist on CNN the Secretary Clinton camp was accusing Bernie of being sexist. His error was to ask Hillary not to interupat him. He might have said that forcefully. Now isn't that what men do to men when debating? Why is it sexist if done to Secretary Clinton? Please, thoughtful answers only I really don't understand the accusation?

[Uncle Ted]

The Libertarian's Trump/Clinton...

John McAfee lied about San Bernardino shooter's iPhone hack to 'get a s**tload of public attention'

John McAfee isn’t telling you the truth—but he says he’s lying for a good cause.


McAfee has been on a media tour discussing a court order that directs Apple to write custom code to help the FBI access a terrorist’s iPhone. The method McAfee says he would use to break open the phone, he admitted to the Daily Dot, is false.
[...]

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/john-mcafee-lied-iphone-apple-fbi/

Well, at least he knows when he is lying and admits to it.

[snowcat]

Intelligent isn't the same thing as not crazy. He might believe a healthy proportion of what he says. No one who isn't inside his head can really know that one way or the other. The problem is, as long as he's nothing more than a silly pop-culture sideshow it doesn't matter. But when he's running for president It kind of does matter now. Either way, I think it's irrational to vote for someone who says crazy shit only because you're sure he doesn't mean it.

My worry is that many (most?) of his voters support him in hopes that he does mean it.

[byu71]

Intelligent isn't the same thing as not crazy. He might believe a healthy proportion of what he says. No one who isn't inside his head can really know that one way or the other. The problem is, as long as he's nothing more than a silly pop-culture sideshow it doesn't matter. But when he's running for president It kind of does matter now. Either way, I think it's irrational to vote for someone who says crazy shit only because you're sure he doesn't mean it.

The Republican turnout so far has been as Donald would say HUGE. My guess is that the regular republicans who show up and vote republican are showing up. In addition you have what I consider the jackass wing of the party who stay at home because the nominee isn't conservative enough are showing up and that is where you get the Trump and Cruz support. I totally blame that group for us having Obama the last 8 years more than the democrats who do what they do, vote for a democrat. I don't think they (democrats) can get any more of their base out than they have the last two election cycles. Didn't minorities vote in record numbers?

The wacko's like the extreme things Trump says and the semi wacko's like you said perhaps are in the Trump doesn't mean it camp or I heard someone say the republican congress won't let him go that far.

I am still for the republican party sending Hannity, Rush and Beck on their way and let them fulfill their ongoing threat of a conservative party.

[Omaha 680]

This came up on my FB feed today with the commentary "Share this everywhere. Now no one can say 'How is he going to pay for all this?'"

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I almost never respond to FB posts, but I couldn't help it on this one.

[BlueK]

My worry is that many (most?) of his voters support him in hopes that he does mean it.

When Trump finally loses will his supporters riot?

[byu71]

This came up on my FB feed today with the commentary "Share this everywhere. Now no one can say 'How is he going to pay for all this?'"

[ATTACH]6750[/ATTACH]

I almost never respond to FB posts, but I couldn't help it on this one.

Talk about someone who has no clue as to how the economy works.

Proposal 1) How do you force companies to bring the money back and be taxed on it?

Proposal 2) Doesn't know how the investor class functions. I hesitate to call specualtors investors, but I don't know what his definition of a speculator is. Maybe it is people who invest for the long term Regardless if I try to speculate and make 20%, that is high risk. If my income tax is 40%, state is 6% and I get a new 5-10% speculation tax, my return for high risk is 10%. Don't you think these so called investors will go someone else to specualte or stop speculating at all.

Why doesn't he propose a gambling tax on football, basketball, et. al.? Say 10-20%. That would bring in a lot of money. Especially when you realize your net gains are taxed and your net losses you can't count. Same principle as speculating on wall street. Tax the gains and basically not allow a tax dedcution for losses.

[BlueK]

Interesting article on Trump supporters.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/lust-for-destruction

[jay santos]

This came up on my FB feed today with the commentary "Share this everywhere. Now no one can say 'How is he going to pay for all this?'"

[ATTACH]6750[/ATTACH]

I almost never respond to FB posts, but I couldn't help it on this one.

No worries. Increase the tax burden by 50%. And that's before we even talk about balancing the budget? I'm sure that will have no negative effect on the economy. I'd easily vote for Trump over this guy.

[BlueK]

No worries. Increase the tax burden by 50%. And that's before we even talk about balancing the budget? I'm sure that will have no negative effect on the economy. I'd easily vote for Trump over this guy.

Sanders has no chance at the nomination now anyway. Kind of a moot point.

[Omaha 680]

No worries. Increase the tax burden by 50%. And that's before we even talk about balancing the budget? I'm sure that will have no negative effect on the economy. I'd easily vote for Trump over this guy.

That was basically my response. The proposed taxation is such a radical change that there is no way you can make assumptions about future behavior/revenue with any degree of certainty. Not to mention the bottom line alone which says we can basically increase income tax revenues by 80% with some new payroll taxes. It's not a small change. It's a complete restructuring of our relationship to government and its relationship to the economy. If that is what Bernie supporters want (I think it is) then just be honest about it because charts like this are crap.

As far as voting for Trump over Bernie, I'm glad the possibility of needing to decide between those two is very small.