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  • Originally posted by Pelado View Post
    Competence is not an electable attribute.
    That seems to be the case for Kasich, doesn't it?

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    • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
      i like cruz. it's scary to me that bernie might actually get the nod. he's polling dangerously well.
      funny.
      "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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      • The 2016 Presidential Election Primary Thread

        Cruz is creepy. It's not just that he's naturally creepy, which he is in spades, but every response he gives in the debates is some over the top (yes, even for a debate that is already over the top) memorized statement that his minions turn into a quick Twitter video.
        Last edited by Moliere; 01-18-2016, 03:22 PM.
        "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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        • Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
          That seems to be the case for Kasich, doesn't it?
          Incompetence won't keep Hillary from being elected.
          "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

          Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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          • cruz has created a persona, and it's brilliant. cruz the president would not be cruz the candidate.
            Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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            • Gayle Ruzicka formally endorsed Cruz
              "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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              • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                Gayle Ruzicka formally endorsed Cruz
                hitler wore khakis
                Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                  cruz has created a persona, and it's brilliant. cruz the president would not be cruz the candidate.
                  You are giving him too much credit. He is a smart lawyer who understands politics but he isn't some type of social wizard/genius. I think he believes and will do a lot of what he says he will. With a GOP congress, that is terrifying. He was pretty extreme as a senator. Mitt Romney said stuff he didn't mean or wouldn't do. It's not the same with Cruz.

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                  • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                    cruz has created a persona, and it's brilliant. cruz the president would not be cruz the candidate.
                    You can say the same about Trump, but it's more believable. I wouldn't let cruz babysit tbh.
                    "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                      You are giving him too much credit. He is a smart lawyer who understands politics but he isn't some type of social wizard/genius. I think he believes and will do a lot of what he says he will. With a GOP congress, that is terrifying. He was pretty extreme as a senator. Mitt Romney said stuff he didn't mean or wouldn't do. It's not the same with Cruz.
                      This is my main hang up with Cruz (despite the creepiness factor). When he says he'll annihilate ISIS, I expect another increased war on terrorism, which IMO isn't worth the cost. When he says he'll build a wall on teh Mexican border, he'll actually do it (everyone knows Trump won't do this).
                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                        he isn't some type of social wizard/genius.
                        i actually think he might be
                        Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                        • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                          This is my main hang up with Cruz (despite the creepiness factor). When he says he'll annihilate ISIS, I expect another increased war on terrorism, which IMO isn't worth the cost. When he says he'll build a wall on teh Mexican border, he'll actually do it (everyone knows Trump won't do this).
                          The hardest thing for me to stomach for any candidate, Democrat or Republican, are their foreign policy positions. The only two candidates who aren't war mongering are Bernie (who is wrong on everything else save criminal justice reform) and Rand Paul (who is a non starter). A needlessly hawkish foreign policy will continue.

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                          • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                            i actually think he might be
                            He's obviously playing long-game as we have talked about previously, but how far does he go? He may very well f* up immigration some more for the next 8 years rather than fix it.
                            "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                            • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                              i actually think he might be
                              He is doing well because Trump is pushing the narrative into the insane authoritarian/pro-robber baron regions of the republican party and Cruz is the second most strident candidate out there. He rode the Tea Party to power in Texas and has remained their darling in the senate every since. He hasn't shown the ability to nuance his stances to keep up with a fickle electorate.
                              Last edited by frank ryan; 01-18-2016, 08:54 PM.

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                              • There was no way I was going to vote for Trump. Not a chance. But all that was before Sarah Palin decided to weigh in. This changes everything.

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