The 2016 Presidential Election Trainwreck

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  • Northwestcoug
    Cocked and Loaded
    • May 2011
    • 17875

    #2341
    Originally posted by YOhio View Post
    There was no way I was going to vote for Trump. Not a chance. But all that was before Sarah Palin decided to weigh in. This changes everything.
    Indeed. This only further cements how intelligent and politically shrewd she is. She's a kingmaker.

    Look out Hillary!
    "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
    "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
    - SeattleUte

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    • Nakoma
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2013
      • 571

      #2342
      Originally posted by YOhio View Post
      There was no way I was going to vote for Trump. Not a chance. But all that was before Sarah Palin decided to weigh in. This changes everything.
      Cruz is really upset Palin didn't endorse him and now Bristol is mad at Cruz.

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      • Color Me Badd Fan
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 12519

        #2343
        The intelligence community's inspector general had to have his security clearance level increased just to read some of the emails gathered off of Hillary Clinton's server (really, what's the point now that the Chinese, Russians and every eastern European hacker now have them). Remember that Hillary Clinton was accessing this home server via a remote desktop connection.

        It was revealed a week or two ago that Hillary told people to remove the classification markings off some of the documents so they could be transmitted. I wonder if this was done with the super top secret items.

        Meanwhile, a CNN poll came out today that showed Bernie Sanders up by 27 points over Hillary in New Hampshire. So, Trump vs. Bernie might actually happen. The GOP has grossly underestimated Trump's abilities in dealing with the media. Think about it this way -- how many celebrities have consistently maintained such a high profile over the course of 30 years +? It's not that Donald Trump has ever been the most famous man on the planet -- he's not Michael Jordan in 1992. But he's been a pretty big celebrity over a very long period of time. Dealing with the media and looking for opportunities to keep himself in the limelight is second nature to him.
        Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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        • Color Me Badd Fan
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 12519

          #2344
          There's also the question of whether the Justice Department will choose to indict Hillary. Right now, the FBI is run by James Comey who is not an Obama appointee. He's a fairly straight shooter and I don't think the FBI will let up on this. The FBI doesn't make the final decision on whether to indict, especially in a case like this.

          Hillary appears to be imploding right now. That doesn't necessarily mean that she won't get the nomination. But if she's flailing badly and if she has a bad showing in Iowa and New Hampshire, Obama/Lynch might decide the Democratic party is better off without her this cycle. Imagine the impact of the decision to bring Hillary before a grand jury (or enter into plea negotiations) after a loss in New Hampshire.
          Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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          • Maximus
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 5996

            #2345
            Trump v Bernie...whoever wins, we lose

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            • Topper
              Pre-Historic Man
              • Nov 2011
              • 11764

              #2346
              Originally posted by YOhio View Post
              There was no way I was going to vote for Trump. Not a chance. But all that was before Sarah Palin decided to weigh in. This changes everything.
              I read an article that Trump's appeal is tied to those voters who believe in authoritarianism, as the single most determining factor. Apparently, the statistician determined it runs across partylines.

              In many respects, Trump seems to be a mirror image of Hillary. Each vacillates on positions. Each has questionable character. Hillary has two public positions and did not perform well in those two positions. Trump has never held public office yet campaigns for the highest public office. If we are faced with those two options, heaven help us. We have socialistic statist on one hand, who has no character and is willing to do anything to win. On the other hand, we have a pure capitalist who will say anything to get elected and has no history of honesty or studied public policy.

              Do you we go with Richard Nixon's evil twin, who has no leadership abilities, or the rich buffoonlike capitalist?
              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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              • Topper
                Pre-Historic Man
                • Nov 2011
                • 11764

                #2347
                Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                Trump v Bernie...whoever wins, we lose
                How is that worse than Trump v. Hillary? In Bernie, we have a buffoon versus another buffoon, but in Hillary, we have a crook versus a buffoon.
                "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                • All-American
                  Right, as Usual
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 15635

                  #2348
                  Originally posted by Topper View Post
                  How is that worse than Trump v. Hillary? In Bernie, we have a buffoon versus another buffoon, but in Hillary, we have a crook versus a buffoon.
                  But we'd have options.
                  τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                  • Maximus
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 5996

                    #2349
                    Originally posted by Topper View Post
                    How is that worse than Trump v. Hillary? In Bernie, we have a buffoon versus another buffoon, but in Hillary, we have a crook versus a buffoon.
                    Trump v Clinton, Cruz v Clinton, Cruz v Bernie, whoever wins, we lose

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                    • New Mexican Disaster
                      Suomalainen
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 4549

                      #2350
                      Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                      Trump v Clinton, Cruz v Clinton, Cruz v Bernie, whoever wins, we lose
                      We are too pessimistic as people. George Bush was just about the worst I could imagine but for the most part it only affected my life tangentially. I am sure that some feel the same way about Obama. The nature of our system makes even incremental change difficult, and policy changes short term.

                      Feel better now?

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                      • Maximus
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 5996

                        #2351
                        Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
                        We are too pessimistic as people. George Bush was just about the worst I could imagine but for the most part it only affected my life tangentially. I am sure that some feel the same way about Obama. The nature of our system makes even incremental change difficult, and policy changes short term.

                        Feel better now?
                        I think life changed pretty dramatically for people paying a much more for healthcare, and long term effects of ignoring debt is worrisome, but I guess that is right.

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                        • Topper
                          Pre-Historic Man
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 11764

                          #2352
                          Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
                          We are too pessimistic as people. George Bush was just about the worst I could imagine but for the most part it only affected my life tangentially. I am sure that some feel the same way about Obama. The nature of our system makes even incremental change difficult, and policy changes short term.

                          Feel better now?
                          The direct impact, fortunately, is often minimal, but we are not too pessimistic. Statists overestimate what government can do. And because they overestimate what it can do, they overpromise what it should do. Skepticism as to claims by or about politicians is good. We can rarely have too much of it. Naturally, if people deny science such a vaccines based on ignorance, that is unhealthy. But doubting claims by politicians is good.

                          However, I was affected by Obama. He promised the enactment of PPACA would allow me to keep my policy of insurance. I both lost my policy of health insurance and had to replace it with worse insurance at twice the rate. We have relatives in the military who are placed in harms way because of his adventurist policies and Hillary is also a "do-gooder" hawk. Tax rates increase and affect me as well. Yes, Obama's policies have directly affected me and not in a good way.

                          His other policies don't have an immediate direct impact.

                          A politician who wants more reasonable and lower tax rates would directly impact me. A less warlike president would also affect my relatives. Somebody committed to correcting the harm on the insurance industry would directly affect me.

                          A Hillary election will see more taxes, more restrictions on property rights, such as fracking, more outcomes based policies as opposed to opportunity based policies, more failed foreign policies and wars to correct social injustice instead of war for economic rights or to protect natural or long term allies. And given her lack of transparency on anything, we can anticipate privacy rights will take a significant hit as well.
                          Last edited by Topper; 01-19-2016, 09:36 PM.
                          "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                          Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                          • New Mexican Disaster
                            Suomalainen
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 4549

                            #2353
                            Originally posted by Topper View Post
                            The direct impact, fortunately, is often minimal, but we are not too pessimistic. Statists overestimate what government can do. And because they overestimate what it can do, they overpromise what it should do.

                            However, I was affected by Obama. He promised the enactment of PPACA would allow me to keep my policy of insurance. I both lost my policy of health insurance and had to replace it with worse insurance at twice the rate. We have relatives in the military who are placed in harms way because of his adventurist policies and Hillary is also a "do-gooder" hawk. Tax rates increase and affect me as well. Yes, Obama's policies have directly affected me and not in a good way.

                            His other policies don't have an immediate direct impact.

                            A politician who wants more reasonable and lower tax rates would directly impact me. A less warlike president would also affect my relatives. Somebody committed to correcting the harm on the insurance industry would directly affect me.

                            A Hillary election will see more taxes, more restrictions on property rights, such as fracking, more outcomes based policies as opposed to opportunity based policies, more failed foreign policies and wars to correct social injustice instead of war for economic rights or to protect natural or long term allies. And given her lack of transparency on anything, we can anticipate privacy rights will take a significant hit as well.
                            I know from past experience that it will not do any good to argue with you. I'm sorry that your insurance went up. Several of my family members who are not well to do were able to purchase insurance at a price that was substantially reduced rate (due to pre-existing conditions). The insurance I purchase for my employees has had reduced price inflation, so I guess I am lucky. I guess that is the point, that there are winners and losers in any change and I happen to have more folks on the winning side.

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                            • Uncle Ted
                              The Big 12 money shot.
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 28853

                              #2354
                              Oh good hell...

                              Donald Trump says he's going to make Apple build computers in the US

                              If elected, presidential candidate Donald Trump plans to make Apple start "building their damn computers and things in this country instead of other countries."


                              Trump's ultimatum to the most valuable company in the world was made toward the end of a 45-minute speech he gave Monday at Liberty University in Virginia.


                              The leading candidate in the Republican presidential race said he would impose a 35% business tax on American businesses manufacturing outside the United States, as noted by Gizmodo.


                              Apple has manufactured its Mac Pro at a factory in Texas since 2013, but the vast majority of its products (including the iPhone) are largely made and assembled in China.
                              [...]
                              “We’re going to get Apple to build their damn computers in this country instead of other countries," Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says.


                              Where can I get an "Anyone but Trump!" bumper sticker?
                              "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                              "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                              "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                              GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                              • myboynoah
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 21719

                                #2355
                                Hold on to your butts, CNN reporting that Cruz will roll out a Glen Beck endorsement later this week.

                                This has got to be new low for these CNN talking heads to actually be analyzing the political moves of Trump, Cruz, and now Palin. What a freak show.
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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