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LOL. You seem to support Mitt running a 3rd time, and point to Reagan as an example of election losers ultimately winning the Presidency. You seem to ignore that Reagan never lost a national election, only a primary. And then when confronted with a list of 4 (no, wait... 5!) failed national candidates, all of whom are more akin to Romney, you whine about Ralph nader. The same Nader, incidentally, who also lost an election for Al Gore, making Nader and Gore even bigger losers than they already were!"Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."
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Hmmm.....I missed the part where it was only "national elections" that were relevant. NWC even pointed to Mitt's failed bid for a senate seat, so I am not sure why I should have thought it was only presidential elections that mattered. I am not even sure what national elections and national candidates even means, but how is a primary not considered a national election when folks from all over the country are voting for the person to represent their party in a presidential election.Originally posted by San Juan Sun View PostLOL. You seem to support Mitt running a 3rd time, and point to Reagan as an example of election losers ultimately winning the Presidency. You seem to ignore that Reagan never lost a national election, only a primary. And then when confronted with a list of 4 (no, wait... 5!) failed national candidates, all of whom are more akin to Romney, you whine about Ralph nader. The same Nader, incidentally, who also lost an election for Al Gore, making Nader and Gore even bigger losers than they already were!
FTR, I think that Mitt running a third time would not turn out well for him, but not because he has lost previous elections but because religion would be a much bigger problem for him in 2016 that is was in 2008 or 2012.
Lastly, Ralph Nader comparisons are funny because I don't think the issues with people not voting for Ralph Nader had anything to do with him previously losing elections. People didn't vote for him because he was Ralph Nader.Last edited by imanihonjin; 09-16-2014, 10:38 AM.
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Rick Santorum Returns!
"Likelihood is Strong" Ben Carson is Running in 2016!

The 2016 Republican Presidential Sideshow(tm) has a strong likelihood of not disappointing!
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Imagine if we get Bernie Sanders and Fauxcahontis on the the left to enter the fray. This could be a primary election season for the ages!Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View PostRick Santorum Returns!
"Likelihood is Strong" Ben Carson is Running in 2016!

The 2016 Republican Presidential Sideshow(tm) has a strong likelihood of not disappointing!
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Originally posted by I.J. Reilly View PostRick Santorum Returns!
"Likelihood is Strong" Ben Carson is Running in 2016!

The 2016 Republican Presidential Sideshow(tm) has a strong likelihood of not disappointing!
Any word on the Huckster? I heard he hasn't been dieting so he's likely out but I'd love to see him run again just for kicks.
Trump has been making his usual overtones lately but they are much earlier than usual. This thing is starting early and I'm loving it!"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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I don't see anyone on the right that I would feel good about voting for, with the possible exception of Rubio (who I actually don't think will run). I think Romney would make an exceptional President. I can't imagine a better fit for what the country needs right now. But he is a terrible campaigner, and oddly has no sense about how to hire good political advisors. If only he could get the job without having to win an election.
It looks like Hilary's job to lose. I don't think she is unbeatable (she proved that with her embarrassing primary loss in 2008), but I think the Republican party is too fractured to put up a decent opponent against her. All the good candidates want to avoid the current infighting in the party. If it weren't for his name, I think Jeb would be the right guy for the job ... but I don't see how he overcomes the name, fairly or not.
As much as I dislike Huntsman, Jr. personally, I think he would do pretty well against Hilary (and would do a good job, if elected). He has no chance of winning a Republican primary in the current political climate though.
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I agree with much of what you said, but Huntsman would get absolutely steamrolled by Hillary. He might fare slightly better than Santorum.Originally posted by UVACoug View PostI don't see anyone on the right that I would feel good about voting for, with the possible exception of Rubio (who I actually don't think will run). I think Romney would make an exceptional President. I can't imagine a better fit for what the country needs right now. But he is a terrible campaigner, and oddly has no sense about how to hire good political advisors. If only he could get the job without having to win an election.
It looks like Hilary's job to lose. I don't think she is unbeatable (she proved that with her embarrassing primary loss in 2008), but I think the Republican party is too fractured to put up a decent opponent against her. All the good candidates want to avoid the current infighting in the party. If it weren't for his name, I think Jeb would be the right guy for the job ... but I don't see how he overcomes the name, fairly or not.
As much as I dislike Huntsman, Jr. personally, I think he would do pretty well against Hilary (and would do a good job, if elected). He has no chance of winning a Republican primary in the current political climate though.
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I wish all sorts of bad things to occur to Hillary. Maybe she could even become a Ute fan, like UVa Coug.Originally posted by UVACoug View PostI don't see anyone on the right that I would feel good about voting for, with the possible exception of Rubio (who I actually don't think will run). I think Romney would make an exceptional President. I can't imagine a better fit for what the country needs right now. But he is a terrible campaigner, and oddly has no sense about how to hire good political advisors. If only he could get the job without having to win an election.
It looks like Hilary's job to lose. I don't think she is unbeatable (she proved that with her embarrassing primary loss in 2008), but I think the Republican party is too fractured to put up a decent opponent against her. All the good candidates want to avoid the current infighting in the party. If it weren't for his name, I think Jeb would be the right guy for the job ... but I don't see how he overcomes the name, fairly or not.
As much as I dislike Huntsman, Jr. personally, I think he would do pretty well against Hilary (and would do a good job, if elected). He has no chance of winning a Republican primary in the current political climate though."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Is Rand Paul going to run? I don't know much about him but he (at least at one point) seemed like a serious guy, relative to the clownshow that seems to be beginning rehearsals. Are any serious republican candidates making noises? I've also been hoping that the surveillance state becomes a big campaign issue, and I don't see that happening if Hillary and the pious dunces are all we get.
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What is his ability to raise money? What do the polls show? Even if he loses the primary, how will that affect his standing within the party?Originally posted by woot View PostIs Rand Paul going to run? I don't know much about him but he (at least at one point) seemed like a serious guy, relative to the clownshow that seems to be beginning rehearsals. Are any serious republican candidates making noises? I've also been hoping that the surveillance state becomes a big campaign issue, and I don't see that happening if Hillary and the pious dunces are all we get."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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I see where the Value Coalition or some name like that had Ted Cruz winning their straw poll for President.
I just can't get the mind set of the ultra conservatives and religious right sitting home and not voting instead of getting out and voting for Romney. Really, you would rather let Obama run the country to prove some kind point to the moderates in the party.
Well, everytime I hear about Ted Cruz as a candidate for President, I at least get a glimpse of how they feel. If I lived in a state that could go either way, I don't know if I could really bring myself to voting for him.
Can you imagine we follow an inexperienced far leftie as President and go to an inexperienced far rightie?
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UVACoug = ute fan? What are you talking about?Originally posted by Topper View PostI wish all sorts of bad things to occur to Hillary. Maybe she could even become a Ute fan, like UVa Coug."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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