Obamacare cost...

[Uncle Ted]

The government isn't buying phones for people. It is reimbursing cell phone companies less than $10 a month.

Cool. I need to get me some Obama phones...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354867/me-and-my-obamaphones-jillian-kay-melchior

And some say he is the worst president ever.

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[CardiacCoug]

Two points: 1) you're putting a lot of faith in markets in a system where they really just don't work that well much of the time and 2) while I agree that the best conservatives just differ in their preferred method of helping the poor, I suspect there are a fair number who really do have small hearts. Or at least, blissfully ignorant ones.

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1) The market doesn't work in health care because we don't let it. When the cost of every service in every hospital and office s available on the internet and cost matters to patients -- and prices still stay astronomically high -- then you can tell me the market doesn't work.

2) Sure, we agree about that.

[CardiacCoug]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56788223-78/insurance-utah-health-consumers.html.csp

So let me get this straight.

Sounds like all this lady who makes $50K per year had to do was hang on to her admittedly expensive $800/month health insurance for a few more months and she could have had her other hip replaced. She knew she needed another operation and decided to drop her insurance anyway without getting this taken care of.

Now she is pissed that she has no insurance and the hip replacement will cost $15K and she can't afford it. Her friends are doing a fundraiser for her. WTF? I swear sometimes I feel like we need single payer health care for the simple reason that most people are idiots.

[calicoug]

Cool. I need to get me some Obama phones...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/354867/me-and-my-obamaphones-jillian-kay-melchior

And some say he is the worst president ever.

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That settles it. Whoever put the phone program in place must be the worst president ever.

Somebody call Reagan on a free phone to notify him.

[Uncle Ted]

That settles it. Whoever put the phone program in place must be the worst president ever.

Somebody call Reagan on a free phone to notify him.

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Reagan rocks for giving us free cell phones!

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[calicoug]

More good Obamacare news... per the Kaiser Foundation premiums released so far are lower than expected (and quite a bit lower than CBO projections which many Republicans derided as ridiculously optimistic projections).

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files....rketplaces.pdf

Many more states yet to provide their data, but the analysis is based on all 17 states plus DC which have submitted data and the trends look quite good.

[Uncle Ted]

Revenge of the Gen X/Y'ers... throw the baby boomers (i.e. the retirees) to the medicare exchanges:

Insurance exchanges are the health-care experiment du jour. Retirees are the test case.

The latest indication: Media-company Time Warner Inc. plans to move its U.S. retirees from company-administered health plans to private exchanges, according to a person familiar with the matter. The company will allocate funds in special accounts that retirees can use to go shop for coverage, the person said.

The news comes as International Business Machines Corp. also plans to move about 110,000 of its own retirees off its company-sponsored health plan to a Medicare insurance exchange.


President Barack Obama's health-care overhaul calls for such exchanges, which will go live next month
[...]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...451763800.html

It will never happen, however. Obama said otherwise:

[Eddie]

Revenge of the Gen X/Y'ers... throw the baby boomers (i.e. the retirees) to the medicare exchanges:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...451763800.html

It will never happen, however. Obama said otherwise:

Well...in his defense, he may technically be correct.

He said that nothing in this new law would REQUIRE a person to change, or REQUIRE an employer to change.

What he didn't understand at the time is that employers are always reacting to market forces in an effort to increase the bottom line and/or simply stay in business. And that while they may not be REQUIRED to change things based on his health care law, it made business sense to do so. (And realistically, some businesses may have had to make the changes to stay in business - which is kind of like being required but kind of not.)

[Uncle Ted]

Well...in his defense, he may technically be correct.

He said that nothing in this new law would REQUIRE a person to change, or REQUIRE an employer to change.

What he didn't understand at the time is that employers are always reacting to market forces in an effort to increase the bottom line and/or simply stay in business. And that while they may not be REQUIRED to change things based on his health care law, it made business sense to do so. (And realistically, some businesses may have had to make the changes to stay in business - which is kind of like being required but kind of not.)

So Obama won't save us?!?

[Maximus]

Obamacare is great.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-medical-device-tax-causes-one-company-lay-over-1000-people_753721.html

[imanihonjin]

Obamacare is great.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...le_753721.html

Crap...if they had just consulted with cali he could have told them that all they need to do in order to save those jobs is cut spending in other areas.

[Uncle Ted]

Trader Joe's will end health benefits for part-timers...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...exchanges.html

Instead, Trader Joe's will give them $500 to help offset the costs of buying their own insurance. That's nice.

[Katy Lied]

Not trader joes! Don't they pay their workforce like, 32 bucks an hour?

$500 won't get you much of any insurance coverage for your family.



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[Uncle Ted]

Not trader joes! Don't they pay their workforce like, 32 bucks an hour?

$500 won't get you much of any insurance coverage for your family.

But Obamacare is going to make health insurance practically "free" for everyone. Just ask Cali. This is like putting $500 extra in their pockets.

When trader joes opened here in DFW about 100 people lined up to see what all the excitement was about. They had that "poppy rave" music and everything.

[dabrockster]

Congress's Exemption from Obamacare:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358550/congresss-exemption-obamacare-john-fund