Romney

[RobinFinderson]

So there is a very good chance that a Mormon may win the presidency, which is kind of cool for those of use with Mormon heritage. This got me thinking about what it would mean for the Mormon church if there were a Mormon president.

For one thing, he could be a very normal, and even cool guy, and that would be huge for the church. But he could also reflect very poorly on the church. I think that many nonMormons are going to look at the Mormon president and think that he is typical of the best that Mormonism can produce. This is why a positive presidency would be huge for the church, but it is also why Mitt could be a huge disaster for the church. I think the fate of the Mormon church could be drastically altered by a Romney presidency.

[myboynoah]

So there is a very good chance that a Mormon may win the presidency, which is kind of cool for those of use with Mormon heritage. This got me thinking about what it would mean for the Mormon church if there were a Mormon president.

For one thing, he could be a very normal, and even cool guy, and that would be huge for the church. But he could also reflect very poorly on the church. I think that many nonMormons are going to look at the Mormon president and think that he is typical of the best that Mormonism can produce. This is why a positive presidency would be huge for the church, but it is also why Mitt could be a huge disaster for the church. I think the fate of the Mormon church could be drastically altered by a Romney presidency.

The good Reverend Jeffress and his flock agree with you.

[LA Ute]

Interesting piece in the WS Journal today:

Pinpointing Romney's Mormon Challenge
Which groups view Mormonism favorably—and what does it mean for the GOP race?

Yet there are potentially significant political consequences for the other groups that give Mormons a positive rating. While evangelicals have issues with Mormons, other churchgoing whites—primarily Catholics and mainline Protestants—view them warmly. Put another way, besides evangelicals, antagonism toward Mormons is concentrated among non-churchgoers and racial minorities.

We hypothesize that white Catholics and mainline Protestants are fine with Mormons because they are not bothered by the same theological issues as are evangelicals, who are theologically conservative and question whether Mormons are really Christians. Nor are these politically moderate groups troubled by the same political issues as staunchly secular Americans and racial minorities, who are politically liberal and disagree with Mormons' conservative political views.

[Jacob]

So there is a very good chance that a [black] may win the presidency, which is kind of cool for those of use with [black] heritage. This got me thinking about what it would mean for the [black people] if there were a [black] president.

For one thing, he could be a very normal, and even cool guy, and that would be huge for the [race]. But he could also reflect very poorly on the [race]. I think that many non[blacks] are going to look at the [black] president and think that he is typical of the best that [black] can produce. This is why a positive presidency would be huge for the [race], but it is also why [Obama] could be a huge disaster for the [race]. I think the fate of the [black people] could be drastically altered by [an Obama] presidency.

This sounds ridiculous Robin. Agree?
Of course, the Obama economy has been a disaster for blacks, more than anyone else, but I hardly think the fate of the people is in danger.

[Jacob]

Slate has published 2 other columns that at least somewhat contradict Hitchens. I thought this one was interesting. It claims that stereotypes (like the one's Hitchens espouses) are being broken down with the differences between Huntsman and Romney and Cain/Obama. And that's a good thing. I agree.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...la.single.html

We tend to think of prejudice as the denial of equality. That’s one aspect of prejudice, as Obama noted yesterday in his speech honoring the new memorial to Martin Luther King Jr. But prejudice is also the denial of difference. It’s a failure to recognize each person as an individual rather than as a projected average of a group. And the most effective cure for this failure isn’t to see blacks and whites, or Mormons and evangelicals, holding hands. It's to watch two blacks or two Mormons go at each other.

[jay santos]

So there is a very good chance that a Mormon may win the presidency, which is kind of cool for those of use with Mormon heritage. This got me thinking about what it would mean for the Mormon church if there were a Mormon president.

For one thing, he could be a very normal, and even cool guy, and that would be huge for the church. But he could also reflect very poorly on the church. I think that many nonMormons are going to look at the Mormon president and think that he is typical of the best that Mormonism can produce. This is why a positive presidency would be huge for the church, but it is also why Mitt could be a huge disaster for the church. I think the fate of the Mormon church could be drastically altered by a Romney presidency.

I can't see how possibly a Romney presidency could be bad for Mormonism simply considering him as an example of a Mormon. He's smart, articulate, a good family man, doesn't drink alcohol or have drugs in his past, doesn't cheat on his wife. He's considered robotic because he's too perfect. It would be a huge boon for Mormonism in the way of becoming accepted, well liked, and mainstream.

What I can see as a definite possibility is that the increase in profile that Mormonism would have would come with it an increase in scrutiny in historical documents and analysis of apologetic issues. Depending on your perspective of how Mormonism will fare once the dust settles on all that stuff, it could be positive or very negative.

[RobinFinderson]

This sounds ridiculous Robin. Agree?
Of course, the Obama economy has been a disaster for blacks, more than anyone else, but I hardly think the fate of the people is in danger.

I think it is ridiculous to think that Romney's success or failure as a president, for better or worse, won't reflect on the church. I think Mormonism, which is an epistemological and cosmological belief system, will rightly be connected to how one leads more so than the color of one's skin. You are nuts to think otherwise.

Moreover, unlike Nixon's Quakerism, or Kennedy's Catholicism, Romney's history of church service and leadership mean that he is a TBM (either that, or a social opportunist), and that is not a casual relationship with his church.

[Goatnapper'96]

This sounds ridiculous Robin. Agree?
Of course, the Obama economy has been a disaster for blacks, more than anyone else, but I hardly think the fate of the people is in danger.

I do not plan on voting for Obama and my principle reason is I don't share his vision of what is right, just, fair and beneficial to all America. I don't think his perspective facilitates the type of business atmosphere that leads to economic development and growth. Now saying that, I don't think if Ronald Reagan had been the US President the last 3 years things would be any different. I think President's Obama's ideas (and the level to which his ideas have been implemented or ever could be given his inept leadership is questionable) on how to fix things would not take this country in the direction I believe it should go to improve the economy, but I think it is unfair to attribute the sad state of things to his policies, as much as I disagree with them.

Now as far as firing him because he promised unicorns and popcorn balls, that is fair game. But I think the reality of the situation is there was very little anyone can do to fix this issue but wait until households are spending less of their income on debt relief and more on consumption.

[Jacob]

I think it is ridiculous to think that Romney's success or failure as a president, for better or worse, won't reflect on the church. I think Mormonism, which is an epistemological and cosmological belief system, will rightly be connected to how one leads more so than the color of one's skin. You are nuts to think otherwise.

Moreover, unlike Nixon's Quakerism, or Kennedy's Catholicism, Romney's history of church service and leadership mean that he is a TBM (either that, or a social opportunist), and that is not a casual relationship with his church.

Of course it will reflect on the Church. But that's not what I objected to. You were being way too dramatic:

but it is also why Mitt could be a huge disaster for the church. I think the fate of the Mormon church could be drastically altered by a Romney presidency.

[jay santos]

I think it is ridiculous to think that Romney's success or failure as a president, for better or worse, won't reflect on the church. I think Mormonism, which is an epistemological and cosmological belief system, will rightly be connected to how one leads more so than the color of one's skin. You are nuts to think otherwise.

Moreover, unlike Nixon's Quakerism, or Kennedy's Catholicism, Romney's history of church service and leadership mean that he is a TBM (either that, or a social opportunist), and that is not a casual relationship with his church.

Mormons have a pretty good reputation right now for being good business people, smart, high achievers generally as a group. Producing a president out of a group that is such a minority is quite an achievement in itself. Producing a bad president is not going to change that much.

[Jacob]

I do not plan on voting for Obama and my principle reason is I don't share his vision of what is right, just, fair and beneficial to all America. I don't think his perspective facilitates the type of business atmosphere that leads to economic development and growth. Now saying that, I don't think if Ronald Reagan had been the US President the last 3 years things would be any different. I think President's Obama's ideas (and the level to which his ideas have been implemented or ever could be given his inept leadership is questionable) on how to fix things would not take this country in the direction I believe it should go to improve the economy, but I think it is unfair to attribute the sad state of things to his policies, as much as I disagree with them.

To deny that Obama could have had much affect on the current state of things is to not see reality. You are essentially saying that the following po0licies have had little to no effect.

1. Trillion Dollar stimulus
2. 800 billion TRAP (passed by Congress prior to election, but implemented by Obama and he could hae chosen not to do it at all)
3. continuing war in Iraq
4. escalating was in Afghanistan
5. Dood Frank
6. Obamacare

It just doesn't make any sense to conclude that Obama has had little effect. One could argue over whether it was positive or negative. One can argue whether Reagan could have done better (I'm not arguing that he certainly would have).

But anyway, the public perception is always that the President exercises significant influence on the economy, even if you and I agree. So my point was merely about public perception. The public perceives that Obama is a failed president (or at least whites largely think that) and the economy has been particularly hard on blacks (as it usually is). But those facts hardly lead to the conclusion that a failed black president has disastrous consequences for the black race or the perception of blacks in large. After all, republicans are seriously considering selecting a black candidate.

[il Padrino Ute]

Things are worse now than when Obama took office. How can that not be attributed to his failed policies?

Obama was bad for this country and it's a shame that so many were fooled by him because it affected not just those fools, but the rest of us. Only a blind sycophant would think Obama is not an incompetent idiot. It's his fault this country is where it is today. To hell with him.

[I.J. Reilly]

Moreover, unlike Nixon's Quakerism, or Kennedy's Catholicism, Romney's history of church service and leadership mean that he is a TBM (either that, or a social opportunist), and that is not a casual relationship with his church.

I know nothing about Nixon's Quakerism, but iirc, in the recently released Jackie O tapes she talks about Kennedy's devotion to his Catholicism, particularly his regular Mass attendance (they were even still in Latin then(!), as this we pre-Vatican II).

Only a blind sycophant would think Obama is not an incompetent idiot. It's his fault this country is where it is today. To hell with him.

This language is detrimental to the public discourse and is only an attempt to inflame and denigrate your opposition. There is nothing of value or substance here. If you really want to convince others who are on the fence or who support Obama that he was the wrong choice for the country, it would serve you to not use such divisive language.

[il Padrino Ute]

This language is detrimental to the public discourse and is only an attempt to inflame and denigrate your opposition. There is nothing of value or substance here. If you really want to convince others who are on the fence or who support Obama that he was the wrong choice for the country, it would serve you to not use such divisive language.

So, I shouldn't state my honest opinion? Sorry, I don't play that way. If someone has a problem what I say, it's their problem, not mine.

[Moliere]

So, I shouldn't state my honest opinion? Sorry, I don't play that way. If someone has a problem what I say, it's their problem, not mine.

Wow, I hope your re trolling because if. It this is a low point for you.