The Police Brutality Thread

[Non Sequitur]

I care. Trying kids as adults is morally wrong.

Intellectually I get that, but that's a legal distinction, which is a different discussion.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Intellectually I get that, but that's a legal distinction, which is a different discussion.

How is it a different discussion? If trying kids as adults (esp for something like murder) is morally wrong, then whether we like the accused or not should have no bearing on how we approach it.

[Non Sequitur]

Unfortunate situation. I feel bad for all of them.

It is unfortunate, and there's plenty of blame to go around. A kid goes justice league and brings a rifle to a riot. What could go wrong? A couple of guys try to jump a person carrying a rifle. What could go wrong?

[Non Sequitur]

How is it a different discussion? If trying kids as adults (esp for something like murder) is morally wrong, then whether we like the accused or not should have no bearing on how we approach it.

It's a different discussion, because we're not in a court of law. Nothing magic is going to happen between. now and the next few months when this kid becomes a legal adult. If the kid were 14, I'm sure my reaction would be entirely different.

[smokymountainrain]

I'm not trying to justify my lack of compassion, I'm just stating a fact. If the kid had entered a biker bar and spit in face of the club leader I wouldn't feign outrage over what would likely happen to him. Intellectually I know I should feel bad for the kid, but I'm just being honest when I say I don't care what happens to the kid.

okay. that is sad, but i do appreciate the honesty.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It's a different discussion, because we're not in a court of law. Nothing magic is going to happen between. now and the next few months when this kid becomes a legal adult. If the kid were 14, I'm sure my reaction would be entirely different.

So just wait until they are technically an adult and try them as adults for crimes they commit as kids? Good grief.

[Katy Lied]

Re: Encounters vs. Population Metric:

Was watching Lovecraft Country and a black family is trying to drive over the county line while still going the speed limit because they have to get out of town before sundown. They are being watched by a menacing sheriff. I forgot that there used to be laws like that. These laws dont exist anymore, but I wonder how our laws and our current justice system ramps up the number of encounters African Americans experience with police, with respect to their population percentages.

[Non Sequitur]

So just wait until they are technically an adult and try them as adults for crimes they commit as kids? Good grief.

You keep bringing this around to legal procedure. I get that for purposes of the law we need to draw a line on when a person becomes an adult, and for better or worse that line is the birthday of the year a person turns 18. I'm not talking about that, which is why I initially said it's a different discussion. I'm talking about a mature person, with the ability to secure dangerous firearms, throwing gas on the flames of an already bad situation.

[Uncle Ted]

The Police Brutality Thread

The victims' prior bad deeds are a red herring, and you know it.

Oh sorry... I meant to say the skinhead dude that shouted "shoot me n*gga" and was throwing things at Rittenhouse and the skateboard dude that got into a shouting match with Rittenhouse, chased him, beat him with a stakeboard, and tried to taken his rife: https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/w...ally-happened/

And the skateboard dude isn't a wife beater... he just beat his girlfriend and tried to strangle and suffocate her. I am guessing they were just into kinky sex or something. And apparently he didn't have a weapon other than his skateboard so, unlike the guy that got shot in the arm, it was obeying the law by not carrying a gun (being a convicted felon and all). Of course, we will be instructed to ignore all of this by the judge. "OK your Honor... when's lunch?"

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[Jeff Lebowski]

You keep bringing this around to legal procedure. I get that for purposes of the law we need to draw a line on when a person becomes an adult, and for better or worse that line is the birthday of the year a person turns 18. I'm not talking about that, which is why I initially said it's a different discussion. I'm talking about a mature person, with the ability to secure dangerous firearms, throwing gas on the flames of an already bad situation.

A 17-yr-old is not a mature person.

[Bo Diddley]

A 17-yr-old is not a mature person.

Neither is an 18 year old as Jason Pearson was when he killed that UHP trooper.

[Non Sequitur]

A 17-yr-old is not a mature person.

When I was 17 I was an idiot and not as mature as I am know, but I was mature enough to know that if I killed somebody I wasn't going to get a hall pass.

[USUC]

You keep bringing this around to legal procedure. I get that for purposes of the law we need to draw a line on when a person becomes an adult, and for better or worse that line is the birthday of the year a person turns 18. I'm not talking about that, which is why I initially said it's a different discussion. I'm talking about a mature person, with the ability to secure dangerous firearms, throwing gas on the flames of an already bad situation.

I understand your priors are leading you towards your view of this kid. Its coming from the same place where people on the right are letting their priors influence their perception of those who were shot because of their violent criminal backgrounds. It's probably healthy to wait and see how this looks after more evidence is out there. I know what I see on video can't be the whole truth.

This kid shouldn't have been there with a gun. The confrontational protestors shouldn't have been there with guns and bats to destroy property. So do you have the same contempt for the people shot chasing this kid as the kid himself? I mean, they both look like they were making violent decisions.

[Non Sequitur]

I understand your priors are leading you towards your view of this kid. Its coming from the same place where people on the right are letting their priors influence their perception of those who were shot because of their violent criminal backgrounds. It's probably healthy to wait and see how this looks after more evidence is out there. I know what I see on video can't be the whole truth.

This kid shouldn't have been there with a gun. The confrontational protestors shouldn't have been there with guns and bats to destroy property. So do you have the same contempt for the people shot chasing this kid as the kid himself? I mean, they both look like they were making violent decisions.

Don't get me wrong. I don't pretend that the victims are blameless. They showed up at a violent event, and they tried to chase down and jump a person with a rifle. That's not smart by any objective standard.

[Northwestcoug]

I feel sorry for the almost adult, who obviously did not have the mental capacity to act like one. He will live with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life. I feel contempt for the kid’s parents and the society that led him to think that it was a noble or even rational decision to take an assault rifle in the middle of a violent protest.