The Police Brutality Thread

[All-American]

From what I heard explained, in MN, 2nd degree unintentional murder is a charge of felony assault that causes death.. I don't think that's a stretch here.

That’s correct. Specific intent to kill was not an element of any charged offense.

[BigFatMeanie]

Out of curiosity, was Chauvin's record which involved multiple complaints and discharge of his firearm highly unusual? IIRC he had already previously shot and killed someone.

I'm a little bothered by the 2nd degree murder charge/conviction combined with the crazy mob atmosphere surrounding this trial. I think a manslaughter charge and conviction was clearly justified, it seems like his conduct plainly showed reckless disregard. Chauvin is a dirtbag, but I don't like the idea of anyone who is being prosecuted simultaneously becoming a scapegoat with so many parties aligned against him -- mayor, governor, AG, federally elected officials, normally high-priced attorneys working pro bono for the prosecution, a rioting mob, the media in near unanimity. Of course, I also think the conviction that Nevada got against OJ was also insane and that he was being punished for his acquittal back in 1995. If the process is unfair for the shittiest amongst us then it's that much easier for it to be unfair for the poorest and most unfortunate too.

At least 9 cops/quasi-cops* testified for the prosecution against Chauvin saying, amongst other things, that his use of force was unnecessary and violated training, ethics, and policies. Only 3 cops/quasi-cops* testified for the defense, in effect attempting to justify his use of force. That speaks volumes.

When you've lost your "thin blue line" brethren then you know you're a true dirtbag.

*The witness list included some folks that may be cops or some type of LEO role but aren't technically Minneapolis PD, like investigators for Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, and Parks police, and stuff like that.

[Uncle Ted]

Nancy Pelosi thanks George Floyd for his sacrifice...

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[SeattleUte]

My position on the Chauvin trial. I spend a significant portion of my life representing individuals pro bono who are indigent and have traditionally been despised by our society and have no other advocate willing to do what I’m doing for them (there is no constitutional right to Habeas counsel). These have been Blacks on death row. For me, the principle that everyone is entitled to due process is sacred. The test of our commitment to this principle is our willingness to give due process to widely reviled defendants. I think it’s wrong for the President to have been partisan in this trial, and to have reacted like a sports fan to the result. I am humble enough, and believe in the system enough, to say that I’m not the one to judge whether Chauvin murdered George Floyd. If the jury says so, that’s the way it is. Absent the Rule of Law, we are nothing. There are many examples of that ongoing worldwide. However, I’m glad there is a system of appellate courts, because with the President’s and others’ conduct including the media, I am not convinced Chauven received a fair trial. I don’t see how that could possibly have happened. The heroes in the immediate part of this are the lawyers who agreed to defend him.

[Jeff Lebowski]

My position on the Chauvin trial. I spend a significant portion of my life representing individuals pro bono who are indigent and have traditionally been despised by our society and have no other advocate willing to do what I’m doing for them (there is no constitutional right to Habeas counsel). These have been Blacks on death row. For me, the principle that everyone is entitled to due process is sacred. The test of our commitment to this principle is our willingness to give due process to widely reviled defendants. I think it’s wrong for the President to have been partisan in this trial, and to have reacted like a sports fan to the result. I am humble enough, and believe in the system enough, to say that I’m not the one to judge whether Chauvin murdered George Floyd. If the jury says so, that’s the way it is. Absent the Rule of Law, we are nothing. There are many examples of that ongoing worldwide. However, I’m glad there is a system of appellate courts, because with the President’s and others’ conduct including the media, I am not convinced Chauven received a fair trial. I don’t see how that could possibly have happened. The heroes in the immediate part of this are the lawyers who agreed to defend him.

I agree with all of this.

[Bo Diddley]

My position on the Chauvin trial. I spend a significant portion of my life representing individuals pro bono who are indigent and have traditionally been despised by our society and have no other advocate willing to do what I’m doing for them (there is no constitutional right to Habeas counsel). These have been Blacks on death row. For me, the principle that everyone is entitled to due process is sacred. The test of our commitment to this principle is our willingness to give due process to widely reviled defendants. I think it’s wrong for the President to have been partisan in this trial, and to have reacted like a sports fan to the result. I am humble enough, and believe in the system enough, to say that I’m not the one to judge whether Chauvin murdered George Floyd. If the jury says so, that’s the way it is. Absent the Rule of Law, we are nothing. There are many examples of that ongoing worldwide. However, I’m glad there is a system of appellate courts, because with the President’s and others’ conduct including the media, I am not convinced Chauven received a fair trial. I don’t see how that could possibly have happened. The heroes in the immediate part of this are the lawyers who agreed to defend him.

In the military, he could have claimed unlawful command interference. Is there anything comparable outside of the military?

[Northwestcoug]

My position on the Chauvin trial. I spend a significant portion of my life representing individuals pro bono who are indigent and have traditionally been despised by our society and have no other advocate willing to do what I’m doing for them (there is no constitutional right to Habeas counsel). These have been Blacks on death row. For me, the principle that everyone is entitled to due process is sacred. The test of our commitment to this principle is our willingness to give due process to widely reviled defendants. I think it’s wrong for the President to have been partisan in this trial, and to have reacted like a sports fan to the result. I am humble enough, and believe in the system enough, to say that I’m not the one to judge whether Chauvin murdered George Floyd. If the jury says so, that’s the way it is. Absent the Rule of Law, we are nothing. There are many examples of that ongoing worldwide. However, I’m glad there is a system of appellate courts, because with the President’s and others’ conduct including the media, I am not convinced Chauven received a fair trial. I don’t see how that could possibly have happened. The heroes in the immediate part of this are the lawyers who agreed to defend him.

Sensible take. I think Biden's words were unfortunate, but I doubt they moved the needle for anyone in the jury if they heard them while deliberating.

Chauvin has his right to appeal.

[BigPiney]

Sensible take. I think Biden's words were unfortunate, but I doubt they moved the needle for anyone in the jury if they heard them while deliberating.

Chauvin has his right to appeal.

I think they were more than unfortunate. A lot of the democrat leadership needs to learn when to shut the hell up.

[BlueK]

Sensible take. I think Biden's words were unfortunate, but I doubt they moved the needle for anyone in the jury if they heard them while deliberating.

Chauvin has his right to appeal.

They were sequestered while deliberating. They didn't hear the President's words.

[SeattleUte]

The problem with the president's words isn't just that the jury may have heard them. The judge did, and wouldn't it be great if the President could give the nation a lesson in civics and civil liberties. I know that was expected of Trump (which he consistently failed to deliver), but I guess not of Biden.

[Uncle Ted]

I think they were more than unfortunate. A lot of the democrat leadership needs to learn when to shut the hell up.

They are just using the Ku Klux Klan's playbook.

[Uncle Ted]

They were sequestered while deliberating. They didn't hear the President's words.

In this day and age is it even possible to sequester a jury? People check their Twitter feed while taking a crap and I doubt all the jury gave up all their smart device crack.

[Uncle Ted]

The problem with the president's words isn't just that the jury may have heard them. The judge did, and wouldn't it be great if the President could give the nation a lesson in civics and civil liberties. I know that was expected of Trump (which he consistently failed to deliver), but I guess not of Biden.

Yeah, who would have guessed that Biden prays or even believes in God... unless his god is satan.

[All-American]

Yeah, who would have guessed that Biden prays or even believes in God... unless his god is satan.

Dude...


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[BlueK]

Dude...


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Pretty serious trolling even by Ted standards