The Police Brutality Thread

[Northwestcoug]

I've said it many times--you get what you pay for. When the economy goes down, you'll recruit more quality people who are willing to work for less money, but when the economy's humming along, they often then quit. Higher pay and just as important, more money for trainimg will go a long ways to fixing things.

We over incarcerate in this country and in many ways over police.

Absolutely. This is the essence of the problem. Let all reforms be based on improving these two facts.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Of those three, the last one is where I have no qualms with an armed cop making a snap judgement. With the first two, I would hope the criminal could be subdued safely without killing him.

I agree that the majority of encounters aren't happening with 'army-like weaponry', but a lot of abuse happens when it does. Like no-knock and drug raids. And I'm sure you agree that encounters like your examples are relatively rare in a cop's day to day job. Where we really need reform is the disasters that happen from routine police interactions like traffic stops.

OK, assume the guy is armed in the first two cases.

Sure, they are relatively rare. But they happen frequently enough.

[Northwestcoug]

OK, assume the guy is armed in the first two cases.

Sure, they are relatively rare. But they happen frequently enough.

Then I am OK with cops making a snap judgement in those instances.

But these are not the examples we are seeing that has moved the needle towards police reform nationally. It's the cops who are using excessive violence against unarmed people. The ones who are too rash to pull a gun because they 'fear for their safety'. You know, when a suspect makes a 'quick' move towards his pocket during a routine traffic stop. Or shooting a fleeing suspect, like they did with Brooks, just because he grabbed a taser. We can and should demand better cop behavior.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Then I am OK with cops making a snap judgement in those instances.

But these are not the examples we are seeing that has moved the needle towards police reform nationally. It's the cops who are using excessive violence against unarmed people. The ones who are too rash to pull a gun because they 'fear for their safety'. You know, when a suspect makes a 'quick' move towards his pocket during a routine traffic stop. Or shooting a fleeing suspect, like they did with Brooks, just because he grabbed a taser. We can and should demand better cop behavior.

I am all for many of the reforms mentioned. But we started this discussion when you suggested we should *END* qualified immunity. I think that is a very bad idea. Scale it back maybe? Study it? Sure. End it? No way.

[Northwestcoug]

I am all for many of the reforms mentioned. But we started this discussion when you suggested we should *END* qualified immunity. I think that is a very bad idea. Scale it back maybe? Study it? Sure. End it? No way.

My unqualified opinion is that in its current iteration qualified immunity does more harm than good, so I would like to see it ended. Like Pelado said, I think it ends up protecting more bad cops than good. And it fosters a bad perception of police interactions with both citizens and the police.

I'm not sure how you would scale it back. If there's a reasonable way to do it that would lead to meaningful reform, then I will listen.

[Pelado]

Of those three, the last one is where I have no qualms with an armed cop making a snap judgement. With the first two, I would hope the criminal could be subdued safely without killing him.

I agree that the majority of encounters aren't happening with 'army-like weaponry', but a lot of abuse happens when it does. Like no-knock and drug raids. And I'm sure you agree that encounters like your examples are relatively rare in a cop's day to day job. Where we really need reform is the disasters that happen from routine police interactions like traffic stops.

Why do you assume the perpetrator would be a man? Such misandry.

[swampfrog]

Atlanta cops walking off the job.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/ra...day/index.html

[Uncle Ted]

Atlanta cops walking off the job.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/ra...day/index.html

Wow... I wonder why they are doing that.

[BigFatMeanie]

I don't think I agree with this. That b*ch a** cop who killed the intoxicated man on his knees in the hall in the hotel in Mesa was surrounded by fellow cops and backup yet chose to murder that poor man anyway.

You mean the cop with "You're f****d" etched into the side of his AR-15?

[Uncle Ted]

Atlanta cops walking off the job.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/ra...day/index.html

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People of Atlanta... Please remember we are in the middle of a pandemic:

[dabrockster]

Atlanta cops walking off the job.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/us/ra...day/index.html

Can we duplicate this in Seattle so the fuckwad Police Chief and Mayor get sacked?

Asking for a friend.


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[Uncle Ted]

Can we duplicate this in Seattle so the fuckwad Police Chief and Mayor get sacked?

Asking for a friend.

Seattle is having its summer of love!

Hey, maybe Rep. Jerry Nader could make a congressional visit to CHAZ/CHOP and return & report:

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[Uncle Ted]

Well, there goes the Atlanta DA's case:

Atlanta is being run by a bunch of dumb*sses.

[swampfrog]

Official channels denying walkout and that there were a high number of call outs (which I assume means unable to make it into work).

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The inability to get information that can be trusted is making these situations impossible to get a handle on.

Spin, spin, spin.

[myboynoah]

Yeah, they were dumb for not bringing shotguns.

Antifa, the worst armed terrorist organization in the world.

Forget Antifa, the real threat is the boogaloo bois. They come armed and ready. Also, they used the protests to incite violence.

As Trump warns of leftist violence, a dangerous threat emerges from the right-wing boogaloo movement

One boogaloo supporter, Steven Carrillo, an active-duty Air Force staff sergeant, is charged with killing a security guard at the federal courthouse in Oakland last month. Court documents allege he scrawled the word “Boog” in blood on a car he had stolen.

“The numbers are overwhelming: Most of the violence is coming from the extreme right wing,” said Clint Watts, a former FBI agent who studies extremist political activity for the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a think tank in Philadelphia.

The shooting that killed one security guard and injured another took place May 29, near where demonstrators had gathered to protest the police killing of George Floyd, an unarmed black man, in Minneapolis.

Facebook posts also figure in Carrillo’s prosecution, with court documents quoting one attributed to him: “Use their anger to fuel our fire. Think outside the box. We have mobs of angry people to use to our advantage.”

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