Confirmed: Jon Huntsman is a wanker

[frank ryan]

There are some similarities but they are superficial.

do tell. even if the program was a carbon copy i wouldnt vote for romney, but i'm interested in your perspective

[LA Ute]

do tell. even if the program was a carbon copy i wouldnt vote for romney, but i'm interested in your perspective

I am working on a blog post about this and will let you know when I am done. I will say that after Romneycare passed, lots of other states (including CA) looked at it as a model and tried to figure out a way to copy it, but decided they could not, because the Massachusetts healthcare landscape was unique. That's one of Romney's points -- all 50 states are so different that a one-size-fits all federal solution is not the right way to go.

[Viking]

I am working on a blog post about this and will let you know when I am done. I will say that after Romneycare passed, lots of other states (including CA) looked at it as a model and tried to figure out a way to copy it, but decided they could not, because the Massachusetts healthcare landscape was unique. That's one of Romney's points -- all 50 states are so different that a one-size-fits all federal solution is not the right way to go.

You are right. But Romney won't win. He doesn't have the charisma. Time to get on the Huntsman bandwagon

[wuapinmon]

It really isn't such a big deal, but I appreciate the depth of feeling you have about the issue, which I can only interpret as a kind of love.

Are you a philpanderer?

[tooblue]

do tell. even if the program was a carbon copy i wouldnt vote for romney, but i'm interested in your perspective

I believe health care is a right. Understand, I live in a country that has universal health care. I'm well aware of the pitfalls. I do not think it should be federally mandated, but rather mandated at the state level. Quite frankly, what I know of his character, Huntsman doesn't have wherewithal to tackle the issue.

[RobinFinderson]

Are you a philpanderer?

What the hell is a philpanderer?

[Viking]

I believe health care is a right. Understand, I live in a country that has universal health care. I'm well aware of the pitfalls. I do not think it should be federally mandated, but rather mandated at the state level. Quite frankly, what I know of his character, Huntsman doesn't have wherewithal to tackle the issue.

OK, pray tell of his character?

That's the sort of bullshit Exie and others of his ilk like to pull: the cheapest form of character assassination is the vague accusation without evidence.

[tooblue]

OK, pray tell of his character?

That's the sort of bullshit Exie and others of his ilk like to pull: the cheapest form of character assassination is the vague accusation without evidence.

Come on captain cosmopolitan. Don't hide your words—stand by them, after all you've got character.

I'm really not certain you are not my dup?

[Viking]

Come on captain cosmopolitan. Don't hide your words—stand by them, after all you've got character.

I'm really not certain you are not my dup?

I wouldn't be caught dead drinking a cosmo. SU, on the other hand...

[frank ryan]

I believe health care is a right. Understand, I live in a country that has universal health care. I'm well aware of the pitfalls. I do not think it should be federally mandated, but rather mandated at the state level. Quite frankly, what I know of his character, Huntsman doesn't have wherewithal to tackle the issue.

But it won't be mandated by all states. Just like access to education was not meted out in a fair fashion before the feds got invovled and ended segregation.

Martin Luther King sums up my feelings on healthcare nice:"Of all forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking and inhumane." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

[frank ryan]

I am working on a blog post about this and will let you know when I am done. I will say that after Romneycare passed, lots of other states (including CA) looked at it as a model and tried to figure out a way to copy it, but decided they could not, because the Massachusetts healthcare landscape was unique. That's one of Romney's points -- all 50 states are so different that a one-size-fits all federal solution is not the right way to go.

states will shirk their duty to provide access to healthcare. so i that is why federal intervention, as sloppy as it may be is needed. As far as public services in Utah go. they don't give a damn about you unless you have kids or are disabled and even then it aint real generous.

[RobinFinderson]

I believe health care is a right. Understand, I live in a country that has universal health care. I'm well aware of the pitfalls. I do not think it should be federally mandated, but rather mandated at the state level. Quite frankly, what I know of his character, Huntsman doesn't have wherewithal to tackle the issue.

What do you know about his character?

[RobinFinderson]

states will shirk their duty to provide access to healthcare. so i that is why federal intervention, as sloppy as it may be is needed. As far as public services in Utah go. they don't give a damn about you unless you have kids or are disabled and even then it aint real generous.

Actually, the state of Utah was incredibly generous when it covered all of the costs of Faith's pregnancy with Little Robin. I was very impressed by the level of care they received. Everything from neonatal screening to choice in hospital and primary care (we went with nurse midwifes in American Fork). When it comes to popping out baby Utahans, Utah is a veritable communist state.

[BigFatMeanie]

states will shirk their duty to provide access to healthcare. so i that is why federal intervention, as sloppy as it may be is needed. As far as public services in Utah go. they don't give a damn about you unless you have kids or are disabled and even then it aint real generous.

Horseshit. "Access to healthcare" (I'm not even sure what you mean by that amorphous term) is provided to everyone that needs it - just go to any emergency room in the U.S. Hospitals are not allowed to refuse emergency treatment to anyone based on ability to pay.

Beyond emergency medical treatment, I disagree with your fundamental assumption that the state must provide "access to healthcare". Unlike tooblue, and obviously you, I don't believe healthcare is a right.

Healthcare is a limited resource that we each put an individual value on. Some people value it more than others. Why should the state provide it to all? There is not an infinite supply of medicine or doctors or facilities. As with all limited resources, there must be a form of rationing. Should every illness be treated? Should every life be prolonged? Why do you think the state should make decisions about allocating that resource? Why do you think the state making decisions about who lives and who dies, and that is exactly what it boils down to, is any more "fair" or "moral" or "decent" than simply having money pick who lives and who dies?

[tooblue]

What do you know about his character?

You'd be surprised.