Zohran Mamdani - Democratic Socialist Mayor of NYC

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  • dabrockster
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 10890

    #301
    Gronk: Is food readily available in NYC? Including access to fruit and vegetables. Are there markets, supermarkets and private grocery stores in the city and what is the average miles for a person who does not have access to a vehicle. And is it considered affordable?

    Response:

    New York City has one of the highest concentrations of food retailers in the United States, including:
    • Large supermarket chains
    • Independent neighborhood grocery stores
    • Small markets and bodegas
    • Produce stands
    • Weekly farmers markets
    • Ethnic grocery stores carrying fresh produce from around the world
    Fresh fruits and vegetables are available throughout all five boroughs, although the variety and prices differ by neighborhood.

    Most New Yorkers do not rely on a personal vehicle for grocery shopping.

    Typical distances are:
    • In dense parts of Manhattan: often less than 0.25 miles (a 5-minute walk).
    • In much of Brooklyn and Queens: roughly 0.25 to 0.5 miles.
    • In less dense sections of The Bronx and Staten Island, some residents may walk 0.5 to 1 mile or more.
    Studies have found that the vast majority of NYC residents live within about ½ mile of a supermarket, and many have several grocery options even closer.

    Is NYC considered a “food desert”?

    Compared with most U.S. cities, New York has relatively few true food deserts because of its high density and extensive transit system.

    However, there are neighborhoods with:
    • fewer full-service supermarkets,
    • greater reliance on bodegas,
    • higher grocery prices,
    • fewer fresh produce options.
    These are often described as having limited healthy food access rather than having no food available.

    Is food affordable?.

    While food is generally available, it is more expensive than the U.S. average.

    Typical grocery prices:
    • Produce often costs 10–30% more than the national average.
    • Meat and dairy are usually above the national average.
    • Specialty and organic foods can be significantly more expensive.

    Many households spend a larger share of their income on food because:
    • housing costs are very high,
    • wages vary considerably,
    • grocery prices are elevated.

    Public transportation helps

    Because relatively few households own cars in some parts of the city, many people:
    • walk to nearby stores,
    • use the subway or buses,
    • use folding shopping carts,
    • have groceries delivered.
    The extensive transit network makes it practical to reach larger supermarkets if the closest store is expensive or has limited selection.

    Overall

    Physical access to food in New York City is generally very good:
    • Availability of food: Excellent.
    • Fresh fruits and vegetables: Widely available.
    • Average distance without a car: Usually ¼–½ mile in most neighborhoods, often even less in denser areas.
    • Affordability: Mixed. Food is available, but many residents find it expensive relative to their incomes.
    In short, NYC’s primary food challenge is affordability, not whether grocery stores or fresh produce can be found nearby.





    I tend to think there are offsetting costs which makes all of this relative. Housing is higher and food as well, but they do not own a car, do not have car insurance or other costs. The idea they do not have access is not accurate.

    This is all about subsiding the cost. A Government run grocery store will not work. If you wish to help families who struggle in this area, expand a city-wide funded food-stamp program. Have income thresholds, household size and various other ways to provide a possible monthly stipend. However, I am not sure the need is sufficient to address this.

    Mandani is hell bent on doing this because he is a communist. And he wants to implement policies that are communistic in hopes it will be successful and move the needle in the direction of his communistic policies.

    Countries with Government run grocery stores: Cuba, North Korea, China, Venezuela, Russia.

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    • dabrockster
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10890

      #302
      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

      Rent control is idiotic.
      Everything Mamdani does is idiotic..

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      • Northwestcoug
        Cocked and Loaded
        • May 2011
        • 17941

        #303
        Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
        Mandani is hell bent on doing this because he is a communist. And he wants to implement policies that are communistic in hopes it will be successful and move the needle in the direction of his communistic policies.

        Countries with Government run grocery stores: Cuba, North Korea, China, Venezuela, Russia.

        Grok: I really don’t like Mamdani. Give me arguments that allow me to think he’s a communist and not what he really is.

        I’ll note that Trump isn’t dumb with his recent commie talk. If he can get conservatives to lump any leftist policy with communism he’s won the battle.
        "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
        "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
        - SeattleUte

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        • dabrockster
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10890

          #304
          Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

          Grok: I really don’t like Mamdani. Give me arguments that allow me to think he’s a communist and not what he really is.

          I’ll note that Trump isn’t dumb with his recent commie talk. If he can get conservatives to lump any leftist policy with communism he’s won the battle.
          Stop thinking everything is related to Trump.

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          • Northwestcoug
            Cocked and Loaded
            • May 2011
            • 17941

            #305
            Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

            Stop thinking everything is related to Trump.
            Well you’re falsely calling Mamdani a communist. I’m just saying that Trump has started doing it, so maybe he convinced you?
            "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
            "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
            - SeattleUte

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            • dabrockster
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 10890

              #306
              Falsely. Give me a fucking break. He’s a communist. If it walks like a duck.. Quacks like a duck. Most likely… It’s a duck..

              Trump has only convinced me he is liar and TACO of every sense of the word.

              Mamdani’s housing advisor is Cea Weaver. In 2017, she tweeted, “Elect more Communists,” and the year after she said, “Seize private property.” Tascha Van Auken is his field director, and she has worked with the Working Families Party (WFP), an affiliate of the Communist Party . Mamdani is listed on the ballot as the #1 choice of WFP.

              Mamdani is fond of using the exact language invoked by Karl Marx. He supports a “social housing” bill that would allow New York state to seize private property for the purpose of renovation and rehabilitation. Indeed, he has explicitly called for the “abolition of private property,” taking a page right out of the Manifesto of the Communist Party. Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote, “the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.”

              Mamdani knows what he is aiming for, explaining, “the end goal of seizing the means of production” is a priority. This is another pick up from Marx and Engels, who wrote that “the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.”

              “Each according to their need, each according to their ability” is what Mamdani wrote in 2020. In his Critique of the Gotha Programme, Marx described how people would be treated once communism succeeded: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

              Josh Hammer, Newsweek’s senior editor-at-large, got it right when he saidMamdani “is better understood as a full-fledged communist” than as a socialist. Still, some insist Mamdani is a socialist, not a communist. If he is, he is more of the Leninist variety.

              Lenin knew what he was talking about when he said, “The goal of socialism is communism.” That has Mamdani’s face written all over it.
              https://www.eurasiareview.com/300920...EapJUEa6Fkh9rU

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              • LVAllen
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 3240

                #307
                Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

                [SNIPPED AI slop that says since a 7-11 and a Whole Foods both offer apples and bananas, they count the same in terms of fresh food access]

                I tend to think there are offsetting costs which makes all of this relative. Housing is higher and food as well, but they do not own a car, do not have car insurance or other costs. The idea they do not have access is not accurate.
                You think that any increase in food costs are offset by the fact they aren't spending money on a vehicle. The reason they aren't spending money on vehicles is because they have no extra money to spend. If they owned a personal car, they would be among the 4 out of 10 low income residents with that access. So they get low quality food that is close to their residence, and suffer increased strokes and heart disease.

                The USDA has a Food Access Atlas: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-produc...o-to-the-atlas

                You can zoom into New York and see areas that are a mile or more away from a supermarket, and overlay that with low income areas where 60% or more do not have access to a personal vehicle. New York acknowledges that public transit does not provide adequate coverage for these food deserts.

                I'm not saying the idea is a panacea. Even when supermarkets have been convinced to open in food deserts, results can be mixed. The supermarket doesn't help if the locals can't afford to buy there. And the locals may not automatically change their behavior, even if they view their neighborhood as improving because a chain grocery store just opened up. If they don't change their behavior to take advantage of the new access, or end up using greater access to just purchase lower quality food, the net result is the same.

                But if Mamdani's guiding principle is that government exists to improve people's lives, I can see why you might fear his popularity.

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                • dabrockster
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10890

                  #308
                  Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

                  You think that any increase in food costs are offset by the fact they aren't spending money on a vehicle. The reason they aren't spending money on vehicles is because they have no extra money to spend. If they owned a personal car, they would be among the 4 out of 10 low income residents with that access. So they get low quality food that is close to their residence, and suffer increased strokes and heart disease.

                  The USDA has a Food Access Atlas: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-produc...o-to-the-atlas

                  You can zoom into New York and see areas that are a mile or more away from a supermarket, and overlay that with low income areas where 60% or more do not have access to a personal vehicle. New York acknowledges that public transit does not provide adequate coverage for these food deserts.

                  I'm not saying the idea is a panacea. Even when supermarkets have been convinced to open in food deserts, results can be mixed. The supermarket doesn't help if the locals can't afford to buy there. And the locals may not automatically change their behavior, even if they view their neighborhood as improving because a chain grocery store just opened up. If they don't change their behavior to take advantage of the new access, or end up using greater access to just purchase lower quality food, the net result is the same.

                  But if Mamdani's guiding principle is that government exists to improve people's lives, I can see why you might fear his popularity.
                  I was very specific in my question. Acting like it includes a 7-11 is a joke.. And not a real argument. 1-mile is an issue? Really. I never said transportation is an issue. I said people do brave a car but public transportation is readily available. I know families in rural Alabama and other states where the nearest grocery store at over 10/15 miles away. The main area I can agree is affordability but a 10/30% above national average is not enough to claim a government run grocery store is needed. It will fail.

                  For the record. I dislike Mandan being seen as a person who is for the low income. He is a privileged blowhard who has cloaked himself for the people and is fully raised and indoctrinate by his liberal/communist parents. Stop claiming a guy who flew to his home country for his wedding surrounded by security and paid god knows how much as a “Man for the people”. His guiding principle is to infiltrate our county to install his communistic views and other like him. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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                  • Northwestcoug
                    Cocked and Loaded
                    • May 2011
                    • 17941

                    #309
                    Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                    Falsely. Give me a fucking break. He’s a communist. If it walks like a duck.. Quacks like a duck. Most likely… It’s a duck..

                    Trump has only convinced me he is liar and TACO of every sense of the word.



                    https://www.eurasiareview.com/300920...EapJUEa6Fkh9rU
                    By the way, if you follow the links in that article, Mamdani did not 'explicitly call for the abolition of private property'. Not even close. Do you have better evidence that he's a communist than from an opinion writer who glosses over a NY Post article and conflates it to Mamdani saying what he didn't say?

                    Look, being a democratic socialist should be bad enough for you. Why the need to blur the very real distinction between what he is and communism?
                    "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                    "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                    - SeattleUte

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                    • LVAllen
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 3240

                      #310
                      Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

                      I was very specific in my question. Acting like it includes a 7-11 is a joke..
                      Your AI answer specifically included bodegas.

                      1-mile is an issue? Really.
                      1 mile in urban environments or 10 miles in rural is part of the food desert definition. If you don't own a car and public transportation doesn't go that way, 1 mile is a long way to walk with groceries in the snow or heat. Which is where the reliance on neighborhood bodegas (convenience stores) comes into play.

                      For the record. I dislike Mandan being seen as a person who is for the low income. He is a privileged blowhard who has cloaked himself for the people and is fully raised and indoctrinate by his liberal/communist parents. Stop claiming a guy who flew to his home country for his wedding surrounded by security and paid god knows how much as a “Man for the people”. His guiding principle is to infiltrate our county to install his communistic views and other like him. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
                      Don't much care about people's backgrounds, as much as what their goals and actions are. Odd that you would call him a wolf in sheep's clothing, when he's been pretty open about his beliefs and goals. Pretty terrible sheep costume, if you think socialism looks like a wolf.

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                      • Jeff Lebowski
                        Corporate lackey for Jesus
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 69519

                        #311
                        Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

                        Your AI answer specifically included bodegas.



                        1 mile in urban environments or 10 miles in rural is part of the food desert definition. If you don't own a car and public transportation doesn't go that way, 1 mile is a long way to walk with groceries in the snow or heat. Which is where the reliance on neighborhood bodegas (convenience stores) comes into play.



                        Don't much care about people's backgrounds, as much as what their goals and actions are. Odd that you would call him a wolf in sheep's clothing, when he's been pretty open about his beliefs and goals. Pretty terrible sheep costume, if you think socialism looks like a wolf.
                        More like a populist idiot in a suit.
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                        • originalsocal
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1632

                          #312
                          Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

                          For the record. I dislike Mandan being seen as a person who is for the low income. He is a privileged blowhard who has cloaked himself for the people and is fully raised and indoctrinate by his liberal/communist parents. Stop claiming a guy who flew to his home country for his wedding surrounded by security and paid god knows how much as a “Man for the people”. His guiding principle is to infiltrate our county to install his communistic views and other like him. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
                          You mirror the description of FDR back in the day. He's on one who won 4 terms as president and is on the dime.

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                          • USUC
                            Chronic Poseur
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 8776

                            #313
                            Originally posted by originalsocal View Post

                            You mirror the description of FDR back in the day. He's on one who won 4 terms as president and is on the dime.
                            And FDR aa meet negative for the country.

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                            • dabrockster
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 10890

                              #314
                              Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

                              Your AI answer specifically included bodegas.



                              1 mile in urban environments or 10 miles in rural is part of the food desert definition. If you don't own a car and public transportation doesn't go that way, 1 mile is a long way to walk with groceries in the snow or heat. Which is where the reliance on neighborhood bodegas (convenience stores) comes into play.



                              Don't much care about people's backgrounds, as much as what their goals and actions are. Odd that you would call him a wolf in sheep's clothing, when he's been pretty open about his beliefs and goals. Pretty terrible sheep costume, if you think socialism looks like a wolf.
                              It is rather naive to think he is open to what and who he is in respects to his policies. He is a smarty guy. He is not going to provide his full intent or opinion. Just enough to get him into office to implement his communistic policies. Hell, look at his most recent backing of candidates. All of them have communistic views and have praised Lenin and favorable views of Russia among their antisemitism. Chevalier attended an Anti-Israel rally the day after the October 7th attacks. Deleted her old Twitter account where she expressed such views as late as 2022. The idea you can “grow considerably” in 4-years is a farce.. The same as thinking Mamdani is some full fledge socialist or thinking socialism is some virtue government. Holy hell.

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                              • frank ryan
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 12284

                                #315
                                Originally posted by USUC View Post

                                And FDR aa meet negative for the country.
                                Nah. One of the better POTUS that we have had. I know we see things differently.

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