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  • Zohran Mamdani - Democratic Socialist Mayor of NYC

    Our Mamdani discussions are spread among various threads at the moment. This is a big enough story (and sufficiently interesting) that it deserves a dedicated thread.

    Ben Shapiro weighs in.

    tl;dr --> democrats should not be tempted to make him the face of the party

    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Our Mamdani discussions are spread among various threads at the moment. This is a big enough story (and sufficiently interesting) that it deserves a dedicated thread.

    Ben Shapiro weighs in.

    tl;dr --> democrats should not be tempted to make him the face of the party

    Hell no, he should not be the face of the party. Josh Shapiro, seriously, make him the face of the party.
    As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
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    • #3
      Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post

      Hell no, he should not be the face of the party. Josh Shapiro, seriously, make him the face of the party.
      I think Harris wins the Presidency had she chosen Shapiro. He's a sharp dude.

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      • #4
        When I get into political discussions with my commie daughter sometimes the beguiling language of socialism allures me. But her most salient points center around the fact that the vast majority of Americans, certainly in the bottom 90 but probably closer to the bottom 95th percentile, are closer economically to a union worker (not just income but savings, retirement plans, tenuous life situations that could impact employment, etc.) than they are to the top 10th percentile. All of us, even those who make welder level money, are a couple of bad decisions or health outcomes away from fiscal insolvency. And that makes us much closer to lower income earners than the oligarchs who control so much of nation's wealth. We can argue whether or not that's a moral failure, but the reality is that the divide is continually getting worse. And both political parties haven't done much to address it.

        The people who are currently enthusiastic about someone like Mamdani see the world probably clearer than my generation, who were raised on a problematic ideal of America that provided opportunity for all. They see real problems that affect their daily lives, that weren't even an issue with the generation before. I just saw that the median age for first time house owners is an incredible 40, a rise of 5 years in just a couple of years. So even if Mamdani doesn't produce all his promises (spoiler alert: he won't), he gets major points from younger people just for bringing to light some significant struggles a lot of people deal with.

        That's why there is Mamdani buzz in younger voters, even though for a lot of America the more centrist wins in Virginia and New Jersey are more meaningful.
        "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
        "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
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        • #5
          Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post

          Hell no, he should not be the face of the party. Josh Shapiro, seriously, make him the face of the party.
          He’d be great but both parties are too infested with antisemites for him to go much further.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by YOhio View Post

            He’d be great but both parties are too infested with antisemites for him to go much further.
            It's unfortunate how accurate this is.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
              When I get into political discussions with my commie daughter sometimes the beguiling language of socialism allures me. But her most salient points center around the fact that the vast majority of Americans, certainly in the bottom 90 but probably closer to the bottom 95th percentile, are closer economically to a union worker (not just income but savings, retirement plans, tenuous life situations that could impact employment, etc.) than they are to the top 10th percentile. All of us, even those who make welder level money, are a couple of bad decisions or health outcomes away from fiscal insolvency. And that makes us much closer to lower income earners than the oligarchs who control so much of nation's wealth. We can argue whether or not that's a moral failure, but the reality is that the divide is continually getting worse. And both political parties haven't done much to address it.

              The people who are currently enthusiastic about someone like Mamdani see the world probably clearer than my generation, who were raised on a problematic ideal of America that provided opportunity for all. They see real problems that affect their daily lives, that weren't even an issue with the generation before. I just saw that the median age for first time house owners is an incredible 40, a rise of 5 years in just a couple of years. So even if Mamdani doesn't produce all his promises (spoiler alert: he won't), he gets major points from younger people just for bringing to light some significant struggles a lot of people deal with.

              That's why there is Mamdani buzz in younger voters, even though for a lot of America the more centrist wins in Virginia and New Jersey are more meaningful.
              Mamdani may be good for New York, and his ideas may have some level of utility. But his is not an approach that can translate widely across the U.S. But he likes poking Trump with a stick, so that is fun.
              Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

              For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

              Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                He’d be great but both parties are too infested with antisemites for him to go much further.
                Agree. He's too closely tied to Israel.
                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Our Mamdani discussions are spread among various threads at the moment. This is a big enough story (and sufficiently interesting) that it deserves a dedicated thread.

                  Ben Shapiro weighs in.

                  tl;dr --> democrats should not be tempted to make him the face of the party

                  I watched part of that discussion and disturbingly found myself agreeing a lot with Ben Shapiro.
                  Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                  For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                  Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                    … But her most salient points center around the fact that the vast majority of Americans, certainly in the bottom 90 but probably closer to the bottom 95th percentile, are closer economically to a union worker (not just income but savings, retirement plans, tenuous life situations that could impact employment, etc.) than they are to the top 10th percentile. ….
                    This is some serious socialist math there.


                    (I assume you mean top 1 or 1/10th percentile .)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by beefytee View Post

                      This is some serious socialist math there.


                      (I assume you mean top 1 or 1/10th percentile .)
                      I don’t think I’m using those terms incorrectly, but maybe i should state it differently? The 90th or 95th percentiles describe 90-95% of the population. I was saying that most people, even those on the high end of income, are closer to lower income earners than the very rich.
                      "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                      "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                      - SeattleUte

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

                        I don’t think I’m using those terms incorrectly, but maybe i should state it differently? The 90th or 95th percentiles describe 90-95% of the population. I was saying that most people, even those on the high end of income, are closer to lower income earners than the very rich.
                        Help me understand why that matters.
                        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                          When I get into political discussions with my commie daughter sometimes the beguiling language of socialism allures me. But her most salient points center around the fact that the vast majority of Americans, certainly in the bottom 90 but probably closer to the bottom 95th percentile, are closer economically to a union worker (not just income but savings, retirement plans, tenuous life situations that could impact employment, etc.) than they are to the top 10th percentile. All of us, even those who make welder level money, are a couple of bad decisions or health outcomes away from fiscal insolvency. And that makes us much closer to lower income earners than the oligarchs who control so much of nation's wealth. We can argue whether or not that's a moral failure, but the reality is that the divide is continually getting worse. And both political parties haven't done much to address it.

                          The people who are currently enthusiastic about someone like Mamdani see the world probably clearer than my generation, who were raised on a problematic ideal of America that provided opportunity for all. They see real problems that affect their daily lives, that weren't even an issue with the generation before. I just saw that the median age for first time house owners is an incredible 40, a rise of 5 years in just a couple of years. So even if Mamdani doesn't produce all his promises (spoiler alert: he won't), he gets major points from younger people just for bringing to light some significant struggles a lot of people deal with.

                          That's why there is Mamdani buzz in younger voters, even though for a lot of America the more centrist wins in Virginia and New Jersey are more meaningful.
                          In the words of the great Norm McDonald, "no offense, but this sounds like some effin commie gobbledygook."

                          A philosophy driven by envy is just as bad as a philosophy driven by retribution.

                          Also, the term you are looking for is plutocracy. The use of oligarchy, besides being used incorrectly, is a dead giveaway you are just regurgitating Bernie/DSA talking points.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by USUC View Post

                            In the words of the great Norm McDonald, "no offense, but this sounds like some effin commie gobbledygook."

                            A philosophy driven by envy is just as bad as a philosophy driven by retribution.

                            Also, the term you are looking for is plutocracy. The use of oligarchy, besides being used incorrectly, is a dead giveaway you are just regurgitating Bernie/DSA talking points.
                            So, there are no oligarchy in a plutocracy? There are always oligarchy in a plutocracy, and the US has always to a large extent been a plutocracy and it is only now that the oligarchy can more clearly be identified as distinct.

                            The economic divide has grown. That is what Northwest is writing about, not envy.

                            Income Inequality Is Surging In The U.S., New Oxfam Report Shows

                            https://www.forbes.com/sites/josieco...-report-shows/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                              When I get into political discussions with my commie daughter sometimes the beguiling language of socialism allures me. But her most salient points center around the fact that the vast majority of Americans, certainly in the bottom 90 but probably closer to the bottom 95th percentile, are closer economically to a union worker (not just income but savings, retirement plans, tenuous life situations that could impact employment, etc.) than they are to the top 10th percentile. All of us, even those who make welder level money, are a couple of bad decisions or health outcomes away from fiscal insolvency. And that makes us much closer to lower income earners than the oligarchs who control so much of nation's wealth. We can argue whether or not that's a moral failure, but the reality is that the divide is continually getting worse. And both political parties haven't done much to address it.

                              The people who are currently enthusiastic about someone like Mamdani see the world probably clearer than my generation, who were raised on a problematic ideal of America that provided opportunity for all. They see real problems that affect their daily lives, that weren't even an issue with the generation before. I just saw that the median age for first time house owners is an incredible 40, a rise of 5 years in just a couple of years. So even if Mamdani doesn't produce all his promises (spoiler alert: he won't), he gets major points from younger people just for bringing to light some significant struggles a lot of people deal with.

                              That's why there is Mamdani buzz in younger voters, even though for a lot of America the more centrist wins in Virginia and New Jersey are more meaningful.
                              This reads pretty much like the countless articles on the economic anxiety of Trump voters in 2016. Both Mamdani and Trump are flawed, inadequate for the task, and representative of a desperate electorate looking for anything but a continuation of the status quo.

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