2024 Presidential Election Thread

[USUC]

Besides Afghanistan what has Biden been awful on?

And trump would be worse on all of ahem. You aren't worried he'd do russias bidding ?

Iran and proxies, Afghanistan, trade policy no different than Trump, too feable to keep his staff/admins in check leading to inconsistent messaging.

The thing with Trump is he's too dumb and incompetent and surrounds himself with incompetence. He will be chaotic and piss off allies and foes alike, but his incompetence will prevent disasters. His domestic policies are another story although i suspect he'll be too incompetent there as well. I don't think he'll be a stooge for Russia. He's a narcissist who reacts to flattery. Right now he is rewarding the flattery of his base. That will change some when he is president again and can't resist being manipulated by all sorts of interests from left and right.

[Lost Student]

lol definitely not the 'most jacked' presidential candidate of all time.

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[Moliere]

Besides Afghanistan what has Biden been awful on?

And trump would be worse on all of ahem. You aren't worried he'd do russias bidding ?

Covid stimulus payments when they weren’t needed, which added fuel to the inflation fire. College debt forgiveness programs that thankfully got a bit stonewalled. Rampant and unchecked border crossings. Talking out of both sides of his mouth on energy policy. Drawing down the strategic oil reserve in a none emergency situation. Convincing Americans that his mind is 100% there and ready for four more years of POTUS level stress and decision making.

[Bo Diddley]

I think Afghanistan should be disqualifying for both Trump and Biden. Trump for an expedited withdrawal timeline, legitimizing the Taliban while undermining the then-existing government. Biden for continuing Trump's playbook and somehow making it worse.

I can't even begin to describe the living hell the drawdown was on me personally in my day to day work. I still haven't recovered.

[USUC]

To all you folks worried about Trump winning the presidency, take solace in knowing that down ballot destruction is almost a given.

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[YOhio]

I can't even begin to describe the living hell the drawdown was on me personally in my day to day work. I still haven't recovered.

I'm sorry, man. God bless.

[Commando]

I can't even begin to describe the living hell the drawdown was on me personally in my day to day work. I still haven't recovered.

Quite the shit show. I have an afghan client that came across the Mexican border (bc they botched his evacuation and had him living in Brazil) and has his asylum case in removal proceedings (immigration court). I'm pretty giddy since I've never had a layup quite like this one.

[USUC]

At this point the DNC, the Dem talking heads in the media, and the Biden administration themselves will be complicit in the reelection of president Trump. They are putting their own legacy, egos, and self interest above the health of their party. At this point i dont believe them when they say they fear Trump is a dictator. If they truly believed it they would look at the polls, Biden's obvious rapid decline that everyone sees and notes the lies you are spewing, they would step out of the way for a more viable candidate.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

At this point the DNC, the Dem talking heads in the media, and the Biden administration themselves will be complicit in the reelection of president Trump. They are putting their own legacy, egos, and self interest above the health of their party. At this point i dont believe them when they say they fear Trump is a dictator. If they truly believed it they would look at the polls, Biden's obvious rapid decline that everyone sees and notes the lies you are spewing, they would step out of the way for a more viable candidate.

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NYT podcast yesterday about Biden's age. It is super depressing. Biden is running for reelection because of his ego and nobody in the DNC has had the guts to step up and challenge the decision. But it may cost them the election. Idiots.

[frank ryan]

I think Afghanistan should be disqualifying for both Trump and Biden. Trump for an expedited withdrawal timeline, legitimizing the Taliban while undermining the then-existing government. Biden for continuing Trump's playbook and somehow making it worse.

I think placing an Iranian asset as Special US Envoy to Iran qualifies as awful. As well as about every other attempt this administration has made to bribe Iran into playing nice.

You should assume Trump has and would continue to intentionally compromise our national intel to Putin and maybe others without remorse. He wants to destroy NATO and will neuter any soft power the US has left.

He is a far greater and more immediate threat.

[frank ryan]

At this point the DNC, the Dem talking heads in the media, and the Biden administration themselves will be complicit in the reelection of president Trump. They are putting their own legacy, egos, and self interest above the health of their party. At this point i dont believe them when they say they fear Trump is a dictator. If they truly believed it they would look at the polls, Biden's obvious rapid decline that everyone sees and notes the lies you are spewing, they would step out of the way for a more viable candidate.

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The blame and malice lay at the feet of the GOP. I agree that running Biden isn't the best move, but place the blame where it proportionately should be placed.

There have been too many failed opportunities of the part of Mitch McConnell and others to hold Trump accountable.


It's inaccurate to for you to assert the Democrats don't think he is a genuine threat or aren't serious. They impeached him twice.
I don't know without digging into archives, but I wonder if you have criticized democrats for being too aggressive for going after Trump too forcefully.

[Applejack]

I too would like to see someone under 80 on the dem ticket. But who:

- newsome? Kind of slimy and COViD double talk will hurt.
- buttigieg? I like him, but is the country ready for a gay president?
- Kamala? I think this is a non-starter, but she's in line.
- Amy klobucher? Not enough name recognition
- chuck shume? GTFO
- manchin? Doubtful. Too West Virginia-y
- Hillary? I'd LOVE it; the Dems would finally win a troll battle. No way
- some other dem governor/senator? We're too close to the election to get name recognition

[BigFatMeanie]

A small inflation story:

In 2018 I bought a Timex Ironman 30lap Classic watch for $35.75. I bought it on Amazon and the seller was Amazon. In 2020 I bought the exact same watch (it was a gift) off Amazon from the exact same seller for the same 2018 price.

Now the exact same watch from the same seller is $40.60.

That’s a 0% increase from 2018-2020 and a 13.5% increase in the last 4 years, or a 3.23% CAGR in the items price over the last 4 years.

Amazon’s order history is pretty great for looking at how the price of stuff you buy has changed over time.

I’m not going to ascribe all economic issues to one person (ie the current president) or one party, but inflation over the past four years is a thing and people feel it even though the economy is good. Politicians who ignore the topic and its impact do so at their peril.

[BlueK]

A small inflation story:

In 2018 I bought a Timex Ironman 30lap Classic watch for $35.75. I bought it on Amazon and the seller was Amazon. In 2020 I bought the exact same watch (it was a gift) off Amazon from the exact same seller for the same 2018 price.

Now the exact same watch from the same seller is $40.60.

That’s a 0% increase from 2018-2020 and a 13.5% increase in the last 4 years, or a 3.23% CAGR in the items price over the last 4 years.

Amazon’s order history is pretty great for looking at how the price of stuff you buy has changed over time.

I’m not going to ascribe all economic issues to one person (ie the current president) or one party, but inflation over the past four years is a thing and people feel it even though the economy is good. Politicians who ignore the topic and its impact do so at their peril.

But what will the GOP do about it?
no answers that make any sense. That's also a problem for them. Have a solution.

Trump's "solutions" would actually make it worse--

More tariffs- this just increases prices. That is exactly the point of tariffs.

Slam the door on immigration -- labor shortages increase costs for agriculture and on producing anything.

Tax decreases -- more money pumped into the economy. Nice solution for when it's in recession and there is no inflation. If inflation is a problem then bad idea to flood the economy with more spending money. Prices will increase.

[USUC]

The blame and malice lay at the feet of the GOP. I agree that running Biden isn't the best move, but place the blame where it proportionately should be placed.

There have been too many failed opportunities of the part of Mitch McConnell and others to hold Trump accountable.


It's inaccurate to for you to assert the Democrats don't think he is a genuine threat or aren't serious. They impeached him twice.
I don't know without digging into archives, but I wonder if you have criticized democrats for being too aggressive for going after Trump too forcefully.

The current predicament can't be laid at the feet in full by either party. I fully concede that point. The shenanigans by the Dems and GOP over the past 40 years had led to where we are. But here is the difference in this instance. The GOP base is all in on Trump. As a result, the moderates in the party are now independent and the GOP has shrunk. But that GOP is all in and believes Trump is their guy. The Dem base has concerns about Biden's cognitive fitness and polling suggests that they would prefer another candidate. Polling also shows that independents overhwelmingly think Biden isnt up for it and want someone else. So what do the DNC, Dem talking heads, etc do? They try to deny Biden's fitness and keep propping him up. The GOP base got to choose Trump and they are. The DNC isnt allowing the Dem base to choose theirs.