The Mass Shooting Thread

[tooblue]

Weird. You are modeling the behavior we are talking about.

Beefytee is right: Bitch all you want about the inaction or that someone may disagree with your policy ideas. That has absolutely nothing to do with these simple expressions of empathy. This is a performative trope that is obnoxious and only deepens the political divide.

From the Goldberg article:

Worries about condemning the phrase "you are in our thoughts and prayers" while condemning supposed modelled behaviour also deepens the political divide. It is perfectly reasonable to show respect for simple expressions of empathy and also show respect for laments about inaction.

[Bo Diddley]

Worries about condemning the phrase "you are in our thoughts and prayers" while condemning supposed modelled behaviour also deepens the political divide. It is perfectly reasonable to show respect for simple expressions of empathy and also show respect for laments about inaction.

I think you hit the nail on the head. And when that is the case, it is probably best to try to see things from the other person's perspective and look for ways to find common ground to address the underlying issue.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Worries about condemning the phrase "you are in our thoughts and prayers" while condemning supposed modelled behaviour also deepens the political divide. It is perfectly reasonable to show respect for simple expressions of empathy and also show respect for laments about inaction.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This is sadly true. If the US has another couple of generations as a democracy there could be a mass movement towards significant modifications of the 2nd amendment. But it just seems hopeless now. It's just an accepted part of life now, which is a horrible indictment on our society.

This is even more sad. Laws that would make perfect sense in any other responsible country go nowhere here. And even if the NRA/GOP saw the light and moved with the rest of the country, there's still multiple guns for every citizen in the country that are circulating.

Just utterly depressing.

I am all for making guns harder to obtain. Registrations, serious background checks, etc. But I don't think it would make much of a difference. The only thing that I think would make a difference would be to repeal the 2nd ammendment and I don't see that happening for a few generations.

[Northwestcoug]

I am all for making guns harder to obtain. Registrations, serious background checks, etc. But I don't think it would make much of a difference. The only thing that I think would make a difference would be to repeal the 2nd ammendment and I don't see that happening for a few generations.

The only difference that more stringent laws will make in the immediate future is a potential societal shift in its perception about guns. Unfettered access to guns needs to be made into a societal taboo. Then when a couple of generations have passed maybe repealing the second amendment could happen.

[BigFatMeanie]

Instead of trying to change the constitution so that we can ban guns, wouldn’t it be easier to banish sick people to insane asylums? No constitutional amendments needed.

[Pelado]

Instead of trying to change the constitution so that we can ban guns, wouldn’t it be easier to banish sick people to insane asylums? No constitutional amendments needed.

How do we ensure we get all the sickos who would perpetrate atrocities like this - before they do them - without unduly "incarcerating" those who would not?

[BigFatMeanie]

How do we ensure we get all the sickos who would perpetrate atrocities like this - before they do them - without unduly "incarcerating" those who would not?

Dunno. But it seems easier than changing the constitution and getting rid of all the guns.

[USUC]

Dunno. But it seems easier than changing the constitution and getting rid of all the guns.

Due process rightly makes this difficult.

[Northwestcoug]

Instead of trying to change the constitution so that we can ban guns, wouldn’t it be easier to banish sick people to insane asylums? No constitutional amendments needed.

Is this how most of the developed world maintains much lower homicide and mass shooting rates? If so, maybe we should give it a shot!

[frank ryan]

Instead of trying to change the constitution so that we can ban guns, wouldn’t it be easier to banish sick people to insane asylums? No constitutional amendments needed.

Not a well thought out solution. But a good indication of how poorly understood mental health is. Maybe we can bring back lobotomies!

The problem isn't "insane" people doing these shooting but radicalized unstable people. They have motivations for doing these awful things. There seems to be a core demographic that commits these shootings.


It's a culture issue as much as anything. There are discord groups and 4chan boards where let their sense of powerlessness and their hatred fester.

That would be a good way to discourage people from getting help. What would qualify as "insane"?

[frank ryan]

Due process rightly makes this difficult.

Yeah, you'd have to suspend the right to due process, among other things.

You'd be criminalizing mental health

Might as well put them in camps.

[Bo Diddley]

Due process rightly makes this difficult.

It would, as you suggest, err on the side of the safety of society. And bonus, it would get rid of some of the homeless. But it would cost money and probably be quite aweful for the "patients".

[Clark Addison]

Due process rightly makes this difficult.

We're still doing that?

[frank ryan]

It would, as you suggest, err on the side of the safety of society. And bonus, it would get rid of some of the homeless. But it would cost money and probably be quite aweful for the "patients".

Put the undesirables in camps!