Does porn = adultery?

[Donuthole]

I mean a lot of guys don't commit adultery simply because they don't have the spare money (it's far from free), or the freedom, or an interested woman. Fear of consequence is a somewhat different albeit not unrelated factor. The more of their own time and money someone has the less they are concerned about consequences and the more they feel (perhaps unrealistically) assured they can evade consequences. For some men it never goes this far because they don't interest any women who want to fool around with a married man.

In that case, I think your conclusion is ". . .a little quaint and overly simplistic," to quote you, as it ignores the porn users who do have the opportunity. Charlie Sheen and David Duchovny have both publicly admitted to porn addictions, and neither one of them lacks the means or opportunity to have an affair.

To paraphrase you, porn regulars are basement-dwelling fat guys who can't get a chick. While there are certainly plenty of those, I've seen no data to suggest that a homely poor man is any more likely to be a porn user than a CEO.

[creekster]

I read it several times, often lingering over passages and images for hours on end.

It took you hours on end . . .never mind, TMI.

[landpoke]

It took you hours on end . . .never mind, TMI.

Just call me Sting.

[SeattleUte]

In that case, I think your conclusion is ". . .a little quaint and overly simplistic," to quote you, as it ignores the porn users who do have the opportunity. Charlie Sheen and David Duchovny have both publicly admitted to porn addictions, and neither one of them lacks the means or opportunity to have an affair.

To paraphrase you, porn regulars are basement-dwelling fat guys who can't get a chick. While there are certainly plenty of those, I've seen no data to suggest that a homely poor man is any more likely to be a porn user than a CEO.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[ERCougar]

In that case, I think your conclusion is ". . .a little quaint and overly simplistic," to quote you, as it ignores the porn users who do have the opportunity. Charlie Sheen and David Duchovny have both publicly admitted to porn addictions, and neither one of them lacks the means or opportunity to have an affair.

To paraphrase you, porn regulars are basement-dwelling fat guys who can't get a chick. While there are certainly plenty of those, I've seen no data to suggest that a homely poor man is any more likely to be a porn user than a CEO.

I think in some ways, famous people (or figureheads) are less likely to pursue their "options" as they don't have anonymity. Thus, the porn addictions.

[Donuthole]

I think in some ways, famous people (or figureheads) are less likely to pursue their "options" as they don't have anonymity. Thus, the porn addictions.

I agree. But that's a "consequences" argument, as opposed to SU's "opportunity" argument. Which is why the claim that people who watch porn just don't have the chance to get some in real life is overly simplistic.

[tooblue]

I have developed from being an anti-porn feminist, marching with the girls of Voice at Take Back the Night rallies to being a pro-porn feminist who sees porn as one of the most important expressions and disseminators of sexual culture and diversity.

But I'm on a school computer between classes, so I will save my thoughts for some other place and time.

It's irrelevant if an adult consents to it or not -- pornography is exploitation. If you are OK with the willful objectification and subjugation of emotionally and financially desperate adults then you are OK with pornography.

There is no art in pornography -- not even Robert Bateman levels of art.

All of you do realize though that the same money that creates, distributes and defends so called adult consensual pornography is the same money used to create, distribute and defend child pornography. They are part and parcel with one another. If you support so called adult pornography as a freedom of expression issue you will ultimately be forced to support Child pornography as a freedom of expression issue … as has happened in Canada. Currently it is legal to own child pornography in Canada.

[SeattleUte]

I agree. But that's a "consequences" argument, as opposed to SU's "opportunity" argument. Which is why the claim that people who watch porn just don't have the chance to get some in real life is overly simplistic.

Charlie Sheen may be the exception that makes the rule. Most guys don't get their thrills from being peed on either. Sexual interest is a complicated thing.

Which is the norm, NBA star has sex with multiple groupies after the game, or NBA star goes to hotel and watches porn?

Call me naive, but I think "porn addiction" is the province of greesy unloved fat guys skulking over computers in basements.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Charlie Sheen may be the exception that makes the rule. Most guys don't get their thrills from being peed on either. Sexual interest is a complicated thing.

Which is the norm, NBA star has sex with multiple groupies after the game, or NBA star goes to hotel and watches porn?

Call me naive, but I think "porn addiction" is the province of greesy unloved fat guys skulking over computers in basements.

I am guessing that you didn't actually read the article. Correct?

[TripletDaddy]

Most guys don't get their thrills from being peed on either. Sexual interest is a complicated thing.

In addition to having only one testicle, Hitler was also allegedly into urolagnia with Eva Braun.

creekster already knows this, I am sure.

[Donuthole]

Which is the norm, NBA star has sex with multiple groupies after the game, or NBA star goes to hotel and watches porn?

I'd wager that NBA players are pretty notorious for racking up large "adult movie" tabs at hotels. Maybe Eddie Griffin is (was--RIP Eddie) the exception, though.

http://wcco.com/topstories/Eddie.Gri....2.359712.html

[TripletDaddy]

I'd wager that NBA players are pretty notorious for racking up large "adult movie" tabs at hotels. Maybe Eddie Griffin is (was--RIP Eddie) the exception, though.

http://wcco.com/topstories/Eddie.Gri....2.359712.html

This is a bit off topic, but can anyone speak to porn as a marital aid? Why are all these people hanging out with groupies and watching porn?

Seriously, how bad have things become if you and your spouse need to watch other people having sex in order to engage in it yourself?

Wife: hey, I'm standing right here! Naked! Right Now!

Husband: move out of the way, woman, you are blocking the TV!....oh, yeah....that's it, baby...now I can fantasize about sex!

[Donuthole]

This is a bit off topic, but can anyone speak to porn as a marital aid? Why are all these people hanging out with groupies and watching porn?

Seriously, how bad have things become if you and your spouse need to watch other people having sex in order to engage in it yourself?

Wife: hey, I'm standing right here! Naked! Right Now!

Husband: move out of the way, woman, you are blocking the TV!....oh, yeah....that's it, baby...now I can fantasize about sex!

If I were going to oversimplify, I would just say that most dudes are married to ugly chicks.

[RobinFinderson]

Just a quick response to SU and TooBlue (who both misunderstood my post) -- I never made any claim about porn being 'beautiful' or 'art.' I am arguing that pornography is useful.

About the issue of exploitation -- what contractual work isn't?

[creekster]

-- I never made any claim about porn being 'beautiful' or 'art.' I am arguing that pornography is useful.

signed,

Pee Wee Herman