Does porn = adultery?

[RobinFinderson]

This is a bit off topic, but can anyone speak to porn as a marital aid? Why are all these people hanging out with groupies and watching porn?

Seriously, how bad have things become if you and your spouse need to watch other people having sex in order to engage in it yourself?

Wife: hey, I'm standing right here! Naked! Right Now!

Husband: move out of the way, woman, you are blocking the TV!....oh, yeah....that's it, baby...now I can fantasize about sex!

Most LDS are predisposed against the value of sexual performance. Many wouldn't know a good session from bad simply because they have nothing to compare it to. Now I'm not going to argue that your average porno is going to demonstrate great (or even realistic) sex, but it will offer something different to try, and if the bedroom is getting a bit stale, this is where it might come in handy.

The other way that it is a 'marital aid' is when a couple's libidos are drastically out of sync.

[RobinFinderson]

signed,

Pee Wee Herman

One of my grad professors used to brag to the class that he was one of Pee Wee's former boy toys.

I would like to say that none of us really cared, but that would be a lie. We joked about it constantly.

[Jeff Lebowski]

One of my grad professors used to brag to the class that he was one of Pee Wee's former boy toys.

I would like to say that none of us really cared, but that would be a lie. We joked about it constantly.

He bragged? Wow.

[RobinFinderson]

He bragged? Wow.

Or so I interpreted it. He DID inform us of said relationship with no apparent purpose except to let us know... in case we were wondering.

[tooblue]

Just a quick response to SU and TooBlue (who both misunderstood my post) -- I never made any claim about porn being 'beautiful' or 'art.' I am arguing that pornography is useful.

About the issue of exploitation -- what contractual work isn't?

Stating it's 'useful' reeks of rationalization. What if one partner in a relationship deems it's useful and the other doesn't? There would be no compromise only conflict or capitulation. Can a relationship where one partner must capitulate be considered healthy?

All contractual work is a form of exploitation in one way or another. However, as a society we must measure the relative value of certain contractual situations versus others. The best contractual situations allow for both parties to benefit from an agreement. The most detrimental allow for one party to gratify itself at the expense of the other party. Pornography is inextricably connected to prostitution. There are copious non-moral reasons why prostitution is dangerous and detrimental to society. Those same non-moral reasons extend to pornography.

Can sex become an addiction? Addiction is the surrender of freedom of choice. Individuals oppressed by addiction ultimately resort to desperate acts to feed the addiction. Desperate acts are rarely beneficial to individuals and society.

[ERCougar]

Pornography is inextricably connected to prostitution.

A huge leap.

[tooblue]

A huge leap.

No it is not. How many actresses also are strippers and go on tour to strip clubs all over North America etc.? How much prostitution is present at or near strip clubs?

Porn actors are paid to have sex. Prostitutes also are paid to have sex.

ER, I know what I am talking about. I have done probono work for a non-profit anti child exploitation organization for years. The two are inextricably linked. You need only look into the law enforcement statistics.

[TripletDaddy]

Most LDS are predisposed.....Many wouldn't know......they have nothing to compare it to. ......

It is so warm and cozy underneath all these huge blankets!

Thank you for sharing the results of your years of field research, KinseyFinderson.

[RobinFinderson]

Thank you for sharing the results of your years of field research, KinseyFinderson.

I'm always willing to take one for the team.

[TripletDaddy]

I'm always willing to take one for the team.

You would be a model prisoner.

[RobinFinderson]

You would be a model prisoner.

Eeewwww!

[The Rambam]

It's irrelevant if an adult consents to it or not -- pornography is exploitation. If you are OK with the willful objectification and subjugation of emotionally and financially desperate adults then you are OK with pornography.

There is no art in pornography -- not even Robert Bateman levels of art.

All of you do realize though that the same money that creates, distributes and defends so called adult consensual pornography is the same money used to create, distribute and defend child pornography. They are part and parcel with one another. If you support so called adult pornography as a freedom of expression issue you will ultimately be forced to support Child pornography as a freedom of expression issue … as has happened in Canada. Currently it is legal to own child pornography in Canada.

I'm sure I am getting a completely distorted picture, but you sound like an immature rabid religious fanatic who will someday have major crisis of faith and end up guzzling Colt 45 while franticly dropping coins in the peep-show booth in the nearest major city.

If you think Playboy's Jenny McCarthy or Cindy Crawford or Kim Kardashian is exploited and Leroy the 47 year old chubby doorman subscriber living in a studio in the Bronx is the exploitee, you are living in a dream world.

Pornography is a $4 billion dollar industry. Are you really saying that money is "part and parcel" with the child exploitation snuff films coming out of southeast asia? You really think buying Penthouse from the street vendor is supporting child porn? Link? Evidence? Cite?

You sound crazy. I hope you stay away from all major museums as the Rodins and Titans would probably send you over the edge.

Would you say this is art?

http://www.danheller.com/images/Unit...issers-big.jpg

or this:

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...3-75771584f022

How about this?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...US303%26sa%3DN

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tizian_012.jpg



I'm not a fan of porn. My favorite article on pornography is:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

[Mormon Red Death]

Stating it's 'useful' reeks of rationalization. What if one partner in a relationship deems it's useful and the other doesn't? There would be no compromise only conflict or capitulation. Can a relationship where one partner must capitulate be considered healthy?

What if both partners find it useful? Can it be considered healthy?

All contractual work is a form of exploitation in one way or another. However, as a society we must measure the relative value of certain contractual situations versus others. The best contractual situations allow for both parties to benefit from an agreement. The most detrimental allow for one party to gratify itself at the expense of the other party. Pornography is inextricably connected to prostitution. There are copious non-moral reasons why prostitution is dangerous and detrimental to society. Those same non-moral reasons extend to pornography.

Can sex become an addiction? Addiction is the surrender of freedom of choice. Individuals oppressed by addiction ultimately resort to desperate acts to feed the addiction. Desperate acts are rarely beneficial to individuals and society.

What about those who watch porn but aren't addicted? If I took out the word "sex" and replaced it with "sports" does it change what you are saying?

[CardiacCoug]

I'm not a fan of porn. My favorite article on pornography is:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/

I like that article. I think there are some pretty good non-religious arguments that excessive (as in daily) viewing of porn is not healthy.

[tooblue]

What if both partners find it useful? Can it be considered healthy?



What about those who watch porn but aren't addicted? If I took out the word "sex" and replaced it with "sports" does it change what you are saying?

I guess that depends upon what you consider healthy? Even the most liberal of counseling professionals will tell you that a daily dose of porn is not all that healthy.

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No, it doesn't change what I am saying. An addiction to sports could be as destructive in many ways as a porn addiction -- especially to a relationship. But how many cases of sports addiction are there compared to sex addiction? Sports is a type of exploitation, however it is different. An apples to oranges difference.