The CES Letter

[SeattleUte]

You can't make crap like that up.

BS. Maybe not make up but you can extrapolate and sensationalize beyond the bounds of respectable journalism to make money.

[creekster]

BS. Maybe not make up but you can extrapolate and sensationalize beyond the bounds of respectable journalism to make money.

I stipulate you have extensive expertise in this approach.

[Topper]

BS. Maybe not make up but you can extrapolate and sensationalize beyond the bounds of respectable journalism to make money.

Are you implying that "Triggers" is not that big a problem at some universities? Or is it so sporadic that it is being sensationalized?

The American Association of University Professors thought enough to write a warning about it last year and then there is the Columbia case.

http://www.aaup.org/report/trigger-warnings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...igger-warning/

[pellegrino]

Again, I am NOT claiming that the church doesn't have history and credibility problems, I am saying that the public response to this issue is colored by this phenomenon. I have noticed in my FB feed it is typically the folks most upset at the church that are also whipped into a frenzy about every other issue coming along. Mass shooting, police brutality, mean school teachers, politicians, how Caitlin Jenner is being treated, etc. Expressing outrage is a full-time job for some folks.

I fail to see how that really matters when discussing the issue of the church's credibility and the way it has sought to control its narrative and image. Sure, people's reactions to seeing the man behind the curtain will vary, and even be influenced by this "phenomenon" but that doesn't change the fact that there's still a man behind the curtain, despite what the Great Oz says.

[wuapinmon]

BS. Maybe not make up but you can extrapolate and sensationalize beyond the bounds of respectable journalism to make money.

My friend, I counter that the extrapolation isn't all that extrapolated. It's like the whole world now gets to see what it's like to teach Humanities at BYU.

[myboynoah]

I fail to see how that really matters when discussing the issue of the church's credibility and the way it has sought to control its narrative and image. Sure, people's reactions to seeing the man behind the curtain will vary, and even be influenced by this "phenomenon" but that doesn't change the fact that there's still a man behind the curtain, despite what the Great Oz says.

Of course there is. It's Jesus, dude. Jesus's behind that curtain.

[pellegrino]

Of course there is. It's Jesus, dude. Jesus's behind that curtain.

Jesus don't need no curtain.

[Paperback Writer]

Jesus don't need no curtain.

Agree, I was taught Jesus was behind a door not a curtain.

[SCcoug]

I'd describe it as more of a veil than a curtain

[TripletDaddy]

Agree, I was taught Jesus was behind a door not a curtain.

that door doesnt have a doorknob. lol @ the artist who painted it.

[SeattleUte]

Are you implying that "Triggers" is not that big a problem at some universities? Or is it so sporadic that it is being sensationalized?

The American Association of University Professors thought enough to write a warning about it last year and then there is the Columbia case.

http://www.aaup.org/report/trigger-warnings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...igger-warning/

This just proves my point. The problem is being dealt with. As always, universities are places where these types of problems are openly discussed and ventilated. Look at the cover of that Atlantic article--we're ruining our kids! Meanwhile, this kind of thing is red meat for right wing Jesus freaks who jump on any excuse to vilify universities. The Atlantic is like Donald Trump in that it knows how to play to the lowest common denominator.

[SeattleUte]

Here is another one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...liams-college/

A speaker is disinvited from giving a lecture at Williams College because her views on feminism might be offensive to some students. And get this: the event is part of the "Uncomfortable Learning" lecture series, which was created for the precise purpose of exposing the students to different viewpoints. Bloody hell...

I have no problem with Williams cancelling Susan Venker, and not because she may upset people whose feelings are too tender. I'd never heard of her but a little research reveals that she's a crackpot and maybe a bad person. Bravo Williams!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...on_t_have.html

[SeattleUte]

I am not saying it is all whining, I am saying we have developed a culture where we emphasize looking for offenses and showcasing hypersensitivity. And this culture tends to amplify and exaggerate the response to the church history phenomenon.

College campuses are becoming the showcase of our new hypersensitive culture, with the silly trigger warnings

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...n-mind/399356/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/op...f=opinion&_r=0

Drives me nuts.

Again, I am NOT claiming that the church doesn't have history and credibility problems, I am saying that the public response to this issue is colored by this phenomenon. I have noticed in my FB feed it is typically the folks most upset at the church that are also whipped into a frenzy about every other issue coming along. Mass shooting, police brutality, mean school teachers, politicians, how Caitlin Jenner is being treated, etc. Expressing outrage is a full-time job for some folks.

lol. The writer of the NY Times article--which was issued seven months ago and was timely and not as sensationally spun as from the trashy Atlantic article, is married to Nicholas Lemann.

[SeattleUte]

JL, focus on really egregious, less ephemeral stuff done that a university does. You won't have to go far!

[pellegrino]

I'd describe it as more of a veil than a curtain

I saw what you did there.