2015 April Conference Thread

[New Mexican Disaster]

The choir is for the sake of God. Well put.

How great it art.

[myboynoah]

What about the YM who decides not to serve a mission because he has a loss of faith or feels he never gained a testimony and has doubts about the church? He was raised in the church with the expectation that he would serve a mission. An argument can be made that it was the YM who changed or failed to develop a testimony. Afterall, his brothers all grew up in the same environment and served missions. What's his problem? Does the YM now have a gap to bridge? I would think there might be some feelings of resentment by the YM if his family is having a diffiuclt time respecting his decision not to serve and is now treating him differently. Or is the YM just being selfish?

What about his sister who marries outside the LDS faith? Is she being selfish when she feels resentment after being treated differently than her siblings who married in the temple. These scenerios hit close to home with me. My family had difficulty adjusting, and yes, there were hurt feelings and resentment. But time has helped heal and we still consider ourselves an eternal family. No one has yet objected in GC; at least to my knowledge.

In principle, I would say that adults that opt out of strong family traditions (Indonesian food on Thursday, a vegan lifestyle, the Catholic Faith, whatever) should not be surprised if their actions bring changes in the family dynamic that they might not find pleasing. They should be understanding and try to bridge the gap they have created. Is that some kind of crazy talk?

Obviously the family traditionalists should be open and loving.

[Copelius]

It's a freaking choir for god's sake. No offense to Copelius

None taken.

[wuapinmon]

They should be understanding and try to bridge the gap they have created. Is that some kind of crazy talk?

I agree 100%

Obviously the family traditionalists should be open and loving.

I think it's when they're not that people feel wronged, like there's a hypocrisy. They honestly and sincerely don't feel that they've changed, even though they almost surely have in some ways. Whether it's to the bone or not, as KL maintains, varies, surely.

[YOhio]

It's a freaking choir for god's sake. No offense to Copelius

Yes. I don't know if I could be real life friends with someone who has a strong opinion about the director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

[Bo Diddley]

Yes. I don't know if I could be real life friends with someone who has a strong opinion about the director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

I could be friends with Copelius. I think he's pretty cool.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I could be friends with Copelius. I think he's pretty cool.

Did he take care of the other mustacheiod guy yet? That impacts my ability to friend copelius or not.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Yes. I don't know if I could be real life friends with someone who has a strong opinion about the director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

I am certain that they would not want to be real life friends with you.

[Paperback Writer]

In principle, I would say that adults that opt out of strong family traditions (Indonesian food on Thursday, a vegan lifestyle, the Catholic Faith, whatever) should not be surprised if their actions bring changes in the family dynamic that they might not find pleasing. They should be understanding and try to bridge the gap they have created. Is that some kind of crazy talk?

Obviously the family traditionalists should be open and loving.

Perhaps the difference lies with the perception of who actually created "the gap". A family might see it as someone turning their back on the family - a rejection of a strong family tradition. The person making the decision sees it as making a difficult life choice while trying to find happiness. In my experience, much of "the gap" is created by the different treatment by family members toward the person after he/she opts out of a strong family tradition like serving a mission, marrying outside the LDS faith, or leaving the church altogether. The family views it as the "wayward" family member creating "the gap" but in reality "the gap" is being expanded because they are now treating someone in the family differently than before. "The gap" is going to have to be bridged from both sides.

[Bo Diddley]

Perhaps the difference lies with the perception of who actually created "the gap". A family might see it as someone turning their back on the family - a rejection of a strong family tradition. The person making the decision sees it as making a difficult life choice while trying to find happiness. In my experience, much of "the gap" is created by the different treatment by family members toward the person after he/she opts out of a strong family tradition like serving a mission, marrying outside the LDS faith, or leaving the church altogether. The family views it as the "wayward" family member creating "the gap" but in reality "the gap" is being expanded because they are now treating someone in the family differently than before. "The gap" is going to have to be bridged from both sides.

Agreed.

And with each family having a different dynamic, the gap likely comes in different proportions from each side.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I read a little more about the guy in charge of this protest. He said that his faith crisis started about a year ago when he read the new essays posted on the church website. That is fascinating. Looks like the inoculation program is killing off some of the patients!

[RC Vikings]

I read a little more about the guy in charge of this protest. He said that his faith crisis started about a year ago when he read the new essays posted on the church website. That is fascinating. Looks like the inoculation program is killing off some of the patients!

Is this the guy you are talking about.

http://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/com...d_opposed_ama/

http://fox13now.com/2015/04/04/5-han...al-conference/

After watching this I'm pretty sure it's the gay policy that was the deciding factor for him.

[Brian]

I want to know who "Skeletor" is.

copelius, do you know this cat?
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[BigPiney]

Is this the guy you are talking about.

http://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/com...d_opposed_ama/

http://fox13now.com/2015/04/04/5-han...al-conference/

After watching this I'm pretty sure it's the gay policy that was the deciding factor for him.

[Copelius]

I want to know who "Skeletor" is.

copelius, do you know this cat?
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No. Again I am very new.