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[kccougar]

Or December. she mentioned the December meeting weeks ago in a podcast. seriously don't any of you effing listen?

So what is she claiming the Bishop has lied about in regard to their communications? She's said it multiple times now.

[Pheidippides]

So what is she claiming the Bishop has lied about in regard to their communications? She's said it multiple times now.

You keep bringing it up - how should I know? I'm too damn busy listening to podcasts.

[Uncle Ted]

My former bishop is apparently inquiring about me even though I haven't attended church in about two years. I've had LDS coworkers / scientists who said that the former bishop was asking about me around the same time that Kate Kelly and John Dehlin were invited to their church courts. (I have no idea why my former bishop would have any jurisdiction. I have never even spoken with him casually. I moved out of his ward two years ago. I'm amazed he even remembers my name well enough to be asking people about me two years after the fact when I am not even in his ward.)

My current bishop works with me and has left me alone since I told him that I did not want home visits, did not have a recommend, and was not interested in attending church for the foreseeable future.

Do you know if Elder L. Whitney Clayton has been in town visiting your (former) SP lately? If so then a couple of priesthood brothers with a letter might be visiting soon. Try to be nice to them. Offer them some iced tea or something.

[imanihonjin]

Or December. she mentioned the December meeting weeks ago in a podcast. seriously don't any of you effing listen?

So its clear that you believe the story of a woman who keeps changing the story.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

seriously don't any of you effing listen?

No. One of the perks of being all-in is that I don't have to listen or care about fringe Mormon podcasts.

[Sullyute]

No. One of the perks of being all-in is that I don't have to listen or care about fringe Mormon podcasts.

I hear that the theme music in some of them is worth listening alone.

[Uncle Ted]

Is anyone aware of someone successfully appealing a church court decision?

So if a bishop gets his excommunication overruled by an higher "court of love" does that mean he has little chance of becoming a SP or something?

[Pheidippides]

So its clear that you believe the story of a woman who keeps changing the story.

It's clear that somehow you think that I should care or it should matter whether or not she's lying. Because who met who when and where is the key thing at stake here. I'm sure everybody else agrees.

[Uncle Ted]

That's because according to Phillips he has had his calling and election made sure. I guess the whole second endowment thing makes you [non-?]excommunicatable?

FIFY.

So as long as Tom Phillips doesn't deny Christ or kill someone he has a golden ticket?

[Flystripper]

No. One of the perks of being all-in is that I don't have to listen or care about fringe Mormon podcasts.

that is a sweet perk. It also comes with being all the way out...

[imanihonjin]

It's clear that somehow you think that I should care or it should matter whether or not she's lying. Because who met who when and where is the key thing at stake here. I'm sure everybody else agrees.

You keep commenting on it, so you must care to some extent. The key thing at stake here is the fact that she tried to paint her leaders in the worst possible light regarding the circumstances of her court of love. She used these claims to make it look like she was a helpless victim and that her Bishop and SP were just big fat meanies to her. It destroys her credibility and makes me wonder what else has she been holding back. She thought she could control the story because the church wouldn't ever publicly defend itself.....oops she forgot that because she made everything else very public (and then whining about her story being very public) people would want to see the ultimate decision in full as well.

[Moliere]

So now that we've settled on the fact that Kate Kelly is prone to lying, I wonder what else she lied about?

[kccougar]

So now that we've settled on the fact that Kate Kelly is prone to lying, I wonder what else she lied about?

Probably the baptismal suit.

[TripletDaddy]

No. One of the perks of being all-in is that I don't have to listen or care about fringe Mormon podcasts.

What level of "all-in" are you? Are we talking the Tex version or the MarkGrace version?

[ERCougar]

I haven't heard her words where she says he's lying, but if you look at the letter with the decision, the bishop claims to have told her to dissociate from OW in the December meeting. That's not at all what she says in her post on fmh immediately following the meeting. I'll take an immediate account over one written six months later any day. If anything, that immediate fmh account strengthens her case. A lot.

And yes, lying for the Lord has precedent in excommunication cases (Toscano?).