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[SeattleUte]

I'm not an employment lawyer but I suspect that there are federal and state laws that protect them from losing their jobs over excommunicating Kate per se. Customers or other constituents such as vendors boycotting their businesses is another matter and probably legal as itself protected expression. However, unlike making same sex marriage legal I doubt enough people care about this to generate economic distress. Some of us such as ARW think excommunication is just meaningless paperwork.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think these recent events are more significant that we might realize. The church (or some leaders, to be more accurate) have said that it is OK to differ with the church on certain issues and even share those thoughts with your family and friends, but you should not be posting those things on social media, or even in private forums. I think this represents a completely unrealistic and naive view of modern-day communications. Electronic communication is so fundamental that you can't possibly expect to rule it out as a means of discussing religious thoughts.

Here is an example. I am sure you have all heard of Clayton Christensen. He is a professor at Harvard Business School and is on the board of directors for KSL and Deseret News. He is prominently featured in Mormon Scholars Testify and various other high-profile LDS websites. Here is what he said in a recent interview:

http://nautil.us/issue/14/mutation/how-the-mormons-conquered-america

But in responding to the interview question, he kind of did announce to mankind that he is right and the church is wrong. First of all: Wow! That is quite a statement from someone in his position. Second: Does he get called in for church discipline now? Where do you draw the line between public and private anymore?

The church courts are a bump in the road, but there is just no way you put the internet genie back in the bottle.

By the way, that is a really interesting article. The premise of the article is how the church is strong because it evolves over time to adapt to changing social conditions, but the change occurs in a unique way (slow and deliberate). I am guessing that the article was written just prior to the current events.

UPDATE:

Clayton Christensen claims he said no such thing.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2014/06/clayton-christensen-and-same-sex-marriage.html

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

UPDATE:

Clayton Christensen claims he said no such thing.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpete...-marriage.html

Ha, our EQ lesson today is all about his missionary book.

[TripletDaddy]

What if this whole thing was a huge psych out? Would be cool if Kate shows up and the SP asks her "where are thine accusers?" And then when everyone realizes that none of the Q12 are there, the SP let's her go and says, "go and sin no more." Then afterward Kate leaves and commits adultery to celebrate her exoneration.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

What if this whole thing was a huge psych out? Would be cool if Kate shows up and the SP asks her "where are thine accusers?" And then when everyone realizes that none of the Q12 are there, the SP let's her go and says, "go and sin no more." Then afterward Kate leaves and commits adultery to celebrate her exoneration.

That would be great, except for the adultery.

[SeattleUte]

What if this whole thing was a huge psych out? Would be cool if Kate shows up and the SP asks her "where are thine accusers?" And then when everyone realizes that none of the Q12 are there, the SP let's her go and says, "go and sin no more." Then afterward Kate leaves and commits adultery to celebrate her exoneration.

Your worst post ever.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Your worst post ever.

Like anyone could possibly know that.

[Pheidippides]

Bishopric is going to "sleep on it." Decision expected tomorrow/Tuesday.

[SoonerCoug]

Bishopric is going to "sleep on it." Decision expected tomorrow/Tuesday.

Bishop Harrison wants to consult church headquarters again before dropping the hammer.

[Topper]

Oh come Seattle Triplet has had a myriad of lousy posts.

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[ERCougar]

Bishopric is going to "sleep on it." Decision expected tomorrow/Tuesday.

how weird

[Uncle Ted]

Bishopric is going to "sleep on it." Decision expected tomorrow/Tuesday.

Or maybe they need more time to read that rather long brief...

http://ordainwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Brief-Submitted-by-Nadine-Hansen-in-Defense-of-Kate-Kelly.pdf

I wonder how long the ruling will be.

[SeattleUte]

Or maybe they need more time to read that rather long brief...

http://ordainwomen.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Brief-Submitted-by-Nadine-Hansen-in-Defense-of-Kate-Kelly.pdf

I wonder how long the ruling will be.

Wow. This thing's a masterpiece. I strongly urge you all to read it carefully. It covers a lot of ground. The conclusion is a blockbuster but really quite disjointed from the rest of it. The conclusion is also a harvest of low hanging fruit. As a lawyer, what I find so impressive about this memorandum is the part that comes before the powerful but self-evident conclusion. There the author accepts (for argument's sake?) everything that the LDS Church claims to be, and everything it claims or aspires to for its disciplinary courts, and then exposes the male LDS leaders who are stewards of this institution and process as wholly unfit for this purportedly exalted stewardship that they have set up for themselves. It reminds me of a scene in the New Testament. Absolutely brilliant.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Wow. This thing's a masterpiece. I strongly urge you all to read it carefully. It covers a lot of ground. The conclusion is a blockbuster but really quite disjointed from the rest of it. The conclusion is also a harvest of low hanging fruit. As a lawyer, what I find so impressive about this memorandum is the part that comes before the powerful but self-evident conclusion. There the author accepts (for argument's sake?) everything that the LDS Church claims to be, and everything it claims or aspires to for its disciplinary courts, and then exposes the male LDS leaders who are stewards of this institution and process as wholly unfit for this purportedly exalted stewardship that they have set up for themselves. It reminds me of a scene in the New Testament. Absolutely brilliant.

That's funny. Scroll up and you will see that everybody else (even those cheering for her) thought it was a poorly-written mess.

[SeattleUte]

That's funny. Scroll up and you will see that everybody else (even those cheering for her) thought it was a poorly-written mess.

Have you read it?