Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[creekster]

You know what else that time and this time have in common? I was having a discussion with someone else and you interjected and got bent out of shape. So much for your resolution.

Bent out of shape? Hardly. Just returning in kind. I thought you'd enjoy the compliment of imitation.

But let me see if I can discern some of the rules you seem to imply.

First, if you have discussed it to a degree that you no longer have interest, it canot be discussed again, even if the context is different or even if you bring it up again.

Second, if you are commenting on someone else's post in a public thread no one else (or at least not me) can comment on the same topic or interject.

Moreover, how do you I am not being kinder? maybe my first considered comment was even worse.

[Jeff Lebowski]

[creekster]

Trust me, I feel your pain.

And who's making you post I. This thread and continue talking to me? Must be some lousy admins around here.

[frank ryan]

They broke laws by assembling and staying in parks. They did threaten violence. Did you not see any of the videos around that time? OWS was very hostile to anyone that didn't agree with them.

The OWS guys didn't assemble with guns and fashion themselves to be an army. Also, it was a massive movement that revolved around nonviolent and peaceful protesting. There were plenty of divergent opinions within that group.

[SeattleUte]

Doesn't the substance of the grievance giving rise to the protest matter?

[New Mexican Disaster]

Doesn't the substance of the grievance giving rise to the protest matter?

Yes, it does.

[frank ryan]

Doesn't the substance of the grievance giving rise to the protest matter?

Have you read about what these guys are taking up arms over? A couple of ranchers committed arson to cover up illegal hunting. They threatened the life of a firefighter who accused them of the crime. Their grievance is shit.

[YOhio]

"Hey, lets pretend we don't want to talk about something but then go to the trouble to find some links and post them with a smart ass comment just so we can pretend to prevail anyway."



Moreover, if you bother to look at the links you posted, you will see the context of the discussion is very different. but, that would be more trouble than the discussion is worth.

Creekster! Language!

[Goatnapper'96]

Have you read about what these guys are taking up arms over? A couple of ranchers committed arson to cover up illegal hunting. They threatened the life of a firefighter who accused them of the crime. Their grievance is shit.

Or they were burning a noxious weed off of their ranch and the fire got out of control. I think these guys going to prison is even dumber than non violent drug offenders going to prison. Think of the money we are wasting housing individuals whose contributions to society have historically far outweighed all the dope dealers the President has been falling all over himself to let out prison early because of our dumb sentencing laws for those crimes.

Over the years I have noticed that the legitimacy or illegitimacy of grievances are often in the eye of the beholder and seem to line up cleanly on ideological grounds.

I don't like these folks bringing arms and making a big deal about their guns. I think it is unnecessary from a tactical perspective because they are on the offensive. Unlike the Bundy Ranch saga nobody is trying to get anyone to move anything. Bringing guns into the situation makes the issue about them and their guns and not about whether or not the grievance of the ranchers going to prison is legitimate or not.

As a wise budding Bay Area attorney once said: "boobs are in!"

[Goatnapper'96]

Doesn't the substance of the grievance giving rise to the protest matter?

Not when stupid protestors bring a hot topic issue like guns into the mess and effectively elevate guns as the talking point instead of the original ranchers' grievance.

[frank ryan]

Or they were burning a noxious weed off of their ranch and the fire got out of control. I think these guys going to prison is even dumber than non violent drug offenders going to prison. Think of the money we are wasting housing individuals whose contributions to society have historically far outweighed all the dope dealers the President has been falling all over himself to let out prison early because of our dumb sentencing laws for those crimes.

Over the years I have noticed that the legitimacy or illegitimacy of grievances are often in the eye of the beholder and seem to line up cleanly on ideological grounds.

I don't like these folks bringing arms and making a big deal about their guns. I think it is unnecessary from a tactical perspective because they are on the offensive. Unlike the Bundy Ranch saga nobody is trying to get anyone to move anything. Bringing guns into the situation makes the issue about them and their guns and not about whether or not the grievance of the ranchers going to prison is legitimate or not.

As a wise budding Bay Area attorney once said: "boobs are in!"

"Prosecutors said the Hammonds set a fire that burned about 130 acres in 2001 to cover up poaching. They were sentenced to five years in prison." http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/ore...efuge-protest/

[Pelado]

"Prosecutors said the Hammonds set a fire that burned about 130 acres in 2001 to cover up poaching. They were sentenced to five years in prison." http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/ore...efuge-protest/

I've heard from a local attorney I trust (perhaps stupidly) that Fish and Game don't always do things by the book.

[frank ryan]

I've heard from a local attorney I trust (perhaps stupidly) that Fish and Game don't always do things by the book.

You could basically say the same thing about any law enforcement office around. They threatened a fire fighter's life who was investigating their crimes. Aside from all that what are the Bundy's grievances? They can't even articulate them well. They just blab on and on about the constitution and the federal government being illegal.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Or they were burning a noxious weed off of their ranch and the fire got out of control. I think these guys going to prison is even dumber than non violent drug offenders going to prison. Think of the money we are wasting housing individuals whose contributions to society have historically far outweighed all the dope dealers the President has been falling all over himself to let out prison early because of our dumb sentencing laws for those crimes.

Over the years I have noticed that the legitimacy or illegitimacy of grievances are often in the eye of the beholder and seem to line up cleanly on ideological grounds.

I don't like these folks bringing arms and making a big deal about their guns. I think it is unnecessary from a tactical perspective because they are on the offensive. Unlike the Bundy Ranch saga nobody is trying to get anyone to move anything. Bringing guns into the situation makes the issue about them and their guns and not about whether or not the grievance of the ranchers going to prison is legitimate or not.

As a wise budding Bay Area attorney once said: "boobs are in!"

Translation: nothing should be done because these are good white folks.

[SeattleUte]

Have you read about what these guys are taking up arms over? A couple of ranchers committed arson to cover up illegal hunting. They threatened the life of a firefighter who accused them of the crime. Their grievance is shit.

Do you think I disagree with you? Hence, the whole comparison is stupid for that reason. I have no problem with protests per se. It depends.