Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[byu71]

There is a law for that!

http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...n-s-Law-Thread

I missed that thread. That was a fun read.

[Blueintheface]

I missed that thread. That was a fun read.

With the players in that thread I'm shocked that your law wasn't invoked.

[byu71]

With the players in that thread I'm shocked that your law wasn't invoked.

No fun in a law that is, "be kind to everyone and considerate of others feelings and opinions".

[Northwestcoug]

That would be pretty smart of Obama. If there was a shootout they could ramp up the gun control talk, tell Americans if they elect republicans they will get a Congress full of Bundy types and Harry Reid can claim to be right all along calling them terrorists.

Besides that no one would be talking about Obamacare for months maybe years.

I see you and the honorable Sheriff Mack hold similar views on the potential political gain of civilian casualties...

[SeattleUte]

It's so difficult for me to hear Cliven evoking Delbert Stapley. (Cliven's remarks are clearly in the same vein.) All of this makes me feel like Mormonism has let him down.

I'm not saying that Mormonism deserves the blame. I'm saying that Mormonism hasn't helped when it could have.

As I see it, Mormonism is too busy waging its war on pornography and gays to help people like Cliven know what racism really is.

If Brother Bundy didn't learn racism in the Church, he certainly didn't UNLEARN it, especially considering the traditional Mormon thought process: "I don't hate black people. I'm not racist. I just think God didn't want them to have the priesthood for some unknown reason."

Imagine if we had a church that was good enough to apologize for its own racist past rather than spending so much of its general conference time on nonsense.

Will Cliven be disfellowshipped? Excommunicated?

I was going to say that the solution to this may be for the LDS church to call a "church court" and issue an injunction that Mr. Cliven Bundy stop breaking the law and resisting arrest. If they were really the one true church they would do that. I guess they aren't. Now we know.

[byu71]

I see you and the honorable Sheriff Mack hold similar views on the potential political gain of civilian casualties...

I would hope you understand that although I recognize something, it doesn't mean I promote or condone it.

For instance President Obama not making a decision on the pipeline is purely political without regard for the U.S. economy. While I recognize it, I neither support or condonde it. Harry Reid's constant lieing would be another example.

[Sullyute]

I was going to say that the solution to this may be for the LDS church to call a "church court" and issue an injunction that Mr. Cliven Bundy stop breaking the law and resisting arrest. If they were really the one true church they would do that. I guess they aren't. Now we know.

Church HQ doesn't get involved with that type of thing. It is left to the local leaders to make those decisions. You should contact Cliven's Stake President.

[byu71]

I was going to say that the solution to this may be for the LDS church to call a "church court" and issue an injunction that Mr. Cliven Bundy stop breaking the law and resisting arrest. If they were really the one true church they would do that. I guess they aren't. Now we know.

Were you high profile enough to get the boot from church headquarters or the local folks?

[falafel]

I was going to say that the solution to this may be for the LDS church to call a "church court" and issue an injunction that Mr. Cliven Bundy stop breaking the law and resisting arrest. If they were really the one true church they would do that. I guess they aren't. Now we know.

Church injunctions? That would be something I could get behind. The church could call the lawyers in the ward to serve as advocates for each side. Finally I would have some real utility to the church.

[Paperback Writer]

This. There is a lot of government mismanagement of federal lands, and there are some outrageous things happening with liberal groups using the courts, and in some cases the BLM and Forest Service, to serve their purposes, but Bundy is a whack job. Whether he was wronged or not, his reaction was wrong one from the beginning, and he's drawn out every crazy from this side of the Mississippi to come brandish a weapon. He has set back ranchers across the West, as every rancher with a legitimate cause from here on will be categorized with this crazy jackass and his militia. As an aside, what the hell do these crazy militia men think they are going to accomplish against any real military action that they would have to face? A unit of (pick your favorites: seals, rangers, recon marines, etc.) would take them out silently in one morning with a wad of chewing gum, a sharp stick, and a box of condoms, and still have enough time (and condoms) left to hit Vegas for a night on the town.

Most probably know this but Navy Seals, Rangers, Recon Marines, etc. won't be deployed on US soil for domestic law enforcement - it is forbidden by the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Any real military action would fall to the ATF, FBI, US Marshalls and (BLM?).

But this raises an excellent question. Suppose you were in charge of deciding how to respond to this. What would you do? What would be your next move? The last thing you want is another Waco, but there has to be a response. Tough call.

Dude is right, it's a tough call. Unlike 'Nam there are rules...

[Northwestcoug]

I would hope you understand that although I recognize something, it doesn't mean I promote or condone it.

For instance President Obama not making a decision on the pipeline is purely political without regard for the U.S. economy. While I recognize it, I neither support or condonde it. Harry Reid's constant lieing would be another example.

Well, you did say it would be pretty smart of Obama if the standoff led to a shootout. That might not be condoning the action, but you do recognize the political value of it. Just like Sheriff Mack does.

[byu71]

Well, you did say it would be pretty smart of Obama if the standoff led to a shootout. That might not be condoning the action, but you do recognize the political value of it. Just like Sheriff Mack does.

If you have followed my work, not that there is any reason to, you would know I detest "political value".

[Dwight Schr-ute]

I just can't believe that at least one of Cliven's 14 kids hasn't reigned him in yet and prevented him from any more interviews. There seemed to be a couple of the boys by his side for the first week, but I haven't seen any sign of them since. Had you stuck a camera in front of my Eastern Idaho, cattle running grandfather before he died, I have no doubt that he would have had some real eye opening "feelings in his heart" too. But we would have never set him up for that. That's what embarrasses me.

[byu71]

I just can't believe that at least one of Cliven's 14 kids hasn't reigned him in yet and prevented him from any more interviews. There seemed to be a couple of the boys by his side for the first week, but I haven't seen any sign of them since. Had you stuck a camera in front of my Eastern Idaho, cattle running grandfather before he died, I have no doubt that he would have had some real eye opening "feelings in his heart" too. But we would have never set him up for that. That's what embarrasses me.

14 kids!!!!! He is either a mormon or catholic from the 50's.

[Bo Diddley]

Most probably know this but Navy Seals, Rangers, Recon Marines, etc. won't be deployed on US soil for domestic law enforcement - it is forbidden by the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Any real military action would fall to the ATF, FBI, US Marshalls and (BLM?).

Dude is right, it's a tough call. Unlike 'Nam there are rules...

Actually there are ranger battalions in the National Guard. So they could be called upon for action on US soil. I remember toting a gun on the streets of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina as a guardsman. However, in the early days after the hurricane, there were also regular army soldiers doing the same. So they've already broken the Posse Comitatus Act before.