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  • Win-win for the church. Allow ward houses to celebrate gay unions, welcome gays in long term relationships back to church, not alienate upcoming generations. But not let them in to the super secret kingdom. And gays wont have a leg to stand on, because the church is granting them the same civil right to be married until death that other churches and indeed the state confers. I think same-sex couples will not be able to demand equality for the same right to a temple sealing , because even other churches, or the state doesn't grant that right.

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    • I loved that article by the BYU track athlete. Last night I showed it to my wife (who also ran track at BYU). We both are impressed by that woman, her teammates, and her coaches. BYU is a very different place than when we attended, which is a great thing. Is it as "evolved" as I would like? No, but students make up the heart of the university and its only going to get better over time as the youth of the church matriculate to college.

      Change at BYU and the Church is inevitable as waves of tolerance and love generated by the youth lap upon beachhead of religious tradition.
      Dyslexics are teople poo...

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      • Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
        I loved that article by the BYU track athlete. Last night I showed it to my wife (who also ran track at BYU). We both are impressed by that woman, her teammates, and her coaches. BYU is a very different place than when we attended, which is a great thing. Is it as "evolved" as I would like? No, but students make up the heart of the university and its only going to get better over time as the youth of the church matriculate to college.

        Change at BYU and the Church is inevitable as waves of tolerance and love generated by the youth lap upon beachhead of religious tradition.
        Beautiful imagery, bruh. I envision a hush falling over the hosts of the Telestial Kingdom as I proudly proclaim I lived during the Flystripper era.

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        • Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
          Change at BYU and the Church is inevitable as waves of tolerance and love generated by the youth lap upon beachhead of religious tradition.
          Nice line, that.

          And not bitter to boot!
          "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
          "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
          - SeattleUte

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          • Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
            I think same-sex couples will not be able to demand equality for the same right to a temple sealing , because even other churches, or the state doesn't grant that right.
            If such a scenario eventually plays out (and I believe it will), some same-sex couples will indeed demand the right to a temple sealing. That's the nature of activism, increasingly minor sleights elicit similar levels of outrage for historically more egregious ones.

            It shouldn't stand up in court, at least the US legal court system, though in the court of public opinion, that's unknown.

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            • Originally posted by HBCoug View Post
              Beautiful imagery, bruh. I envision a hush falling over the hosts of the Telestial Kingdom as I proudly proclaim I lived during the Flystripper era.
              Don't sleep on HB's comic chops.
              Dyslexics are teople poo...

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              • Originally posted by HBCoug View Post
                Beautiful imagery, bruh. I envision a hush falling over the hosts of the Telestial Kingdom as I proudly proclaim I lived during the Flystripper era.

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                • Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
                  Don't sleep on HB's comic chops.
                  yes, that was excellent.

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                  • Originally posted by HBCoug View Post
                    Beautiful imagery, bruh. I envision a hush falling over the hosts of the Telestial Kingdom as I proudly proclaim I lived during the Flystripper era.
                    Ha ha nice!

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                    • Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
                      I loved that article by the BYU track athlete. Last night I showed it to my wife (who also ran track at BYU). We both are impressed by that woman, her teammates, and her coaches. BYU is a very different place than when we attended, which is a great thing. Is it as "evolved" as I would like? No, but students make up the heart of the university and its only going to get better over time as the youth of the church matriculate to college.

                      Change at BYU and the Church is inevitable as waves of tolerance and love generated by the youth lap upon beachhead of religious tradition.
                      A recent high-school graduate in my ward came out as trans a few weeks ago. I gave my high-schoolers a good pep talk on why it was important to be respectful and to ensure that we extend a hand of friendship and fellowship to this kid. My oldest said, "Dad, why are you being so weird about this?" I said, "Well, I've never known a person who is trans, and I don't think you have either, and I want you to treat them the same," to which she replied, "Dad, I may not have had a trans friend before, but I do have instagram." I'm still not sure what that means, but apparently, it means that she's woke, and I'm not. Ha.
                      Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

                      "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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                      • Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post
                        Great article indeed. The response of her coaches and teammates were perfect. The description of the environment at BYU being toxic for someone like her is also very true and demonstrates how BYU is a discriminatory institution.
                        You know, Jesus had the good sense to give up the ghost after hanging on the cross for only six hours. How long do you intend to hang in there?
                        τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                        • Originally posted by All-American View Post
                          You know, Jesus had the good sense to give up the ghost after hanging on the cross for only six hours. How long do you intend to hang in there?
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • Originally posted by All-American View Post
                            You know, Jesus had the good sense to give up the ghost after hanging on the cross for only six hours. How long do you intend to hang in there?
                            come down off the cross, we can use the wood
                            Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                            • Originally posted by All-American View Post
                              You know, Jesus had the good sense to give up the ghost after hanging on the cross for only six hours. How long do you intend to hang in there?
                              "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                              • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                                we can use the wood
                                TMI

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