Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[Green Monstah]

Regardless of whether the church covers for GAs who behave badly, I think it's better for all involved to simply release the person in question at the next general conference.

[Katy Lied]

The transgendered male in our ward is subject to a lot of ridicule behind her back, but no outright condemnation. She's starting to look attractive, but still heavy 5 oclock shadow. She bares her testimony every month, referring obliquely to the Church being so loving and inclusive and everyone fitting into the big tent etc, without coming out and directly talking about transgendered saints. This past week when the ward was overflowing with visitors due to two baby blessings, she didn't bare her testimony at all. I think she is very considerate. The only awkward thing is during priesthood/RS she has nowhere to go, and ends up sitting in the foyeah. I dont think she can go to RS as long as she has the priesthood. And if she is exed and loses her priesthood, she cant attend church anyway. I think she has done nothing to warrant getting exed, she really is lovely.

[Moliere]

The transgendered male in our ward is subject to a lot of ridicule behind her back, but no outright condemnation. She's starting to look attractive, but still heavy 5 oclock shadow. She bares her testimony every month, referring obliquely to the Church being so loving and inclusive and everyone fitting into the big tent etc, without coming out and directly talking about transgendered saints. This past week when the ward was overflowing with visitors due to two baby blessings, she didn't bare her testimony at all. I think she is very considerate. The only awkward thing is during priesthood/RS she has nowhere to go, and ends up sitting in the foyeah. I dont think she can go to RS as long as she has the priesthood. And if she is exed and loses her priesthood, she cant attend church anyway. I think she has done nothing to warrant getting exed, she really is lovely.

Exed people can attend church.


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[Eddie]

Weird quote mashup.

yeah. I don't know how that happened. Don't remember ever hitting the quote button for that first one. Didn't realize it was there till now.

[Donuthole]

The transgendered male in our ward is subject to a lot of ridicule behind her back, but no outright condemnation. She's starting to look attractive, but still heavy 5 oclock shadow. She bares her testimony every month, referring obliquely to the Church being so loving and inclusive and everyone fitting into the big tent etc, without coming out and directly talking about transgendered saints. This past week when the ward was overflowing with visitors due to two baby blessings, she didn't bare her testimony at all. I think she is very considerate. The only awkward thing is during priesthood/RS she has nowhere to go, and ends up sitting in the foyeah. I dont think she can go to RS as long as she has the priesthood. And if she is exed and loses her priesthood, she cant attend church anyway. I think she has done nothing to warrant getting exed, she really is lovely.

So she hasn't had the full surgery yet?

(Also "bare?" Yikes!)

[myboynoah]

Can you two clarify what you mean here? Specifically, can you give us examples of things he may have done that would normally result in a church court, but would not for a GA?

For the record: I am calling BS on this double standard you are implying.

I can see why JL gets so cranky with you people at times. They are going to come down hard on GAs for mess-ups. The costs off not doing so are much, much greater than those that would give reason for a cover-up.

I met Elder Hamula once. Nice guy. He has played some role in Jewish-Mormon relations (I believe as result of his previous law firm).

[Omaha 680]

Elder Lyman begs to differ.

I'm not terribly familiar with the specifics, but it would be tough to say that threat or possibility of public disclosure played no role in his excommunication.

It was 1943 and the excommunication was for having a second wife who he had "married" 18 years earlier. I'm sure in that time period they could have figured out how to make it go away and/or keep it quiet had avoiding public excommunication of a high official been their priority.

[Green Monstah]

I can see why JL gets so cranky with you people at times. They are going to come down hard on GAs for mess-ups. The costs off not doing so are much, much greater than those that would give reason for a cover-up.

I met Elder Hamula once. Nice guy. He has played some role in Jewish-Mormon relations (I believe as result of his previous law firm).

Yes, the law firm of Gallagher & Kennedy is teeming with Irish-Jews.

I don't know what the answer is here, and it's probably unknowable. I will say that I've seen enough from the church that it wouldn't surprise me if they handled GA discipline privily.

[Green Monstah]

It was 1943 and the excommunication was for having a second wife who he had "married" 18 years earlier. I'm sure in that time period they could have figured out how to make it go away and/or keep it quiet had avoiding public excommunication of a high official been their priority.

Yeah, I read the Wikipedia page too. I'd be curious to know how the first presidency discovered the cohabitation.

[Omaha 680]

It's poor to celebrate the failure of others.

Unless it's the failure of Utah athletic teams. In that case the celebration should be celebrated.

[creekster]

(Also "bare?" Yikes!)

Yours may need to be carried, but hers just needs to be shown.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Unless it's the failure of Utah athletic teams. In that case the celebration should be celebrated.

Yes!

Like that dummy that dropped the ball before crossing the goal line. Such a great memory.

[Omaha 680]

Yeah, I read the Wikipedia page too. I'd be curious to know how the first presidency discovered the cohabitation.

I was just confirming the dates, bro! I already knew the story. Also, one of the references on the Wikipedia page tells the story of how it was discovered. He was excommunicated one day later. I didn't remember that J-Rube had the SLC police bust down his door to catch him in the act.

[LVAllen]

Yes!

Like that dummy that dropped the ball before crossing the goal line. Such a great memory.

Lest you forget the best part: Oregon returned that dropped ball 100 yards for a TD.

[Commando]

Lest you forget the best part: Oregon returned that dropped ball 100 yards for a TD.

Maybe my favorite play of all time. I mean, Harvey steamrolling Utes into the end zone for the win was cool, Beck to Harline was cool, George running free was cool, Staley up the sideline was cool, and mind you I'm 100% a BYU fan first before Utah hater, but... we have never inflicted anything this utterly and thoroughly humiliating. So great.