If a female tried to get into the priesthood session of GC...

[Jeff Lebowski]

I know many people want things to change tomorrow. Or even within the next year. Not going to happen. Be patient. More women serving missions will bring a revolutionary change, probably within ten years. This (women with true leadership responsibilities in The Church) needs to be socialized, and it will be.

Until then, quit whining. Our beloved Cougars are playing a bunch of ducks and nerds on Thursday.

Focus people, focus.

Totally agree. This will be a long-term process.

[Pheidippides]

Totally agree. This will be a long-term process.

If there's one bright spot in the letter, it's that it will make the process faster if anything. But it's already too late for a lot of people.

[cougjunkie]

Based on the meals my family has received from the relief society recently, the women of the church are failing in the kitchen. If they can't even get that right how can we expect them to play a larger role in a world wide organization?

Get your own house in order ladies, and then we will consider expanding your role.

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[pellegrino]

I know many people want things to change tomorrow. Or even within the next year. Not going to happen. Be patient. More women serving missions will bring a revolutionary change, probably within ten years. This (women with true leadership responsibilities in The Church) needs to be socialized, and it will be.

Until then, quit whining. Our beloved Cougars are playing a bunch of ducks and nerds on Thursday.

Focus people, focus.

You're assuming those women serving missions will stay after they've seen the man behind the curtain.



I'm afraid this transition will happen much like the blacks getting the priesthood, meaning that the change occurred, but the organization retained too much cultural memory and as a result we are still known as a racist organization. I know, I know, that's offensive to many here, but some of the most racist statements I've ever heard have been spoken by Mormons with good intentions.

[pellegrino]

I'm going to go ahead and predict the catastrophic collapse of Mormonism within 30 years.

I do hope that BYU lives on in some capacity.

perhaps you can buy it.

[cougjunkie]

You're assuming those women serving missions will stay after they've seen the man behind the curtain.



I'm afraid this transition will happen much like the blacks getting the priesthood, meaning that the change occurred, but the organization retained too much cultural memory and as a result we are still known as a racist organization. I know, I know, that's offensive to many here, but some of the most racist statements I've ever heard have been spoken by Mormons with good intentions.

The most racist statements I have ever heard came from my Baptist grandfather who also had good intentions. Maybe I should classify Baptists as a racist organization. My grandmother still uses words like "colored" "Negro" and "black". She is Catholic, seems I should also classify the Catholic church as a bunch of child molesting racists.

This is fun, who is next?

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[Solon]

Ouch. You are one of the smart guys I listen too. I was just indicating the perspective she probably comes from. I will apologize if you will resurrect me.

He's ALIVE to me!

[pellegrino]

The most racist statements I have ever heard came from my Baptist grandfather who also had good intentions. Maybe I should classify Baptists as a racist organization. My grandmother still uses words like "colored" "Negro" and "black". She is Catholic, seems I should also classify the Catholic church as a bunch of child molesting racists.

This is fun, who is next?

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Everybody in America can trot out stories about the racist old people in their life. I'm talking about people your age and younger referring to African Americans as porch rats.

[pellegrino]

Gotcha.

I know that many of the protesters are former members, but there are also many (including Kelly) that are faithful and active.

All women who hold officially sanctioned positions within OW, have a current temple recommend. They do not require the same of those who support them, but at least the leadership is comprised entirely of active, temple worthy women.

[myboynoah]

You're assuming those women serving missions will stay after they've seen the man behind the curtain.

I'm afraid this transition will happen much like the blacks getting the priesthood, meaning that the change occurred, but the organization retained too much cultural memory and as a result we are still known as a racist organization. I know, I know, that's offensive to many here, but some of the most racist statements I've ever heard have been spoken by Mormons with good intentions.

You're too pessimistic. Have hope, brother.

[Solon]

You're assuming those women serving missions will stay after they've seen the man behind the curtain.

MRD and I were discussing this last week in a bar in Vegas.

Will the large numbers of women serving missions undermine the current male-centered authority structures? (my opinion)

Or are serving these missions going to entrench, fortify & solidify a female base that is loyal to the current leadership? (MRD's opinion - he'll chime in if I got it wrong)

Or both?

[TripletDaddy]

MRD and I were discussing this last week in a bar in Vegas.

Will the large numbers of women serving missions undermine the current male-centered authority structures? (my opinion)

Or are serving these missions going to entrench, fortify & solidify a female base that is loyal to the current leadership? (MRD's opinion - he'll chime in if I got it wrong)

Or both?

lol. Worst bar topic ever. GTFO

[Pheidippides]

lol. Worst bar topic ever. GTFO

What does one drink when discussing the social effects of Mormon women on missions? I'm guessing Sex On the Beach.

[pellegrino]

MRD and I were discussing this last week in a bar in Vegas.

Will the large numbers of women serving missions undermine the current male-centered authority structures? (my opinion)

Or are serving these missions going to entrench, fortify & solidify a female base that is loyal to the current leadership? (MRD's opinion - he'll chime in if I got it wrong)

Or both?

Or, will a good portion of them just decide to leave all together because they have lost the idealism of their youth

lol. Worst bar topic ever. GTFO

Unfortunately, this is what a lot of Mormons discuss in bars as they drown their apostate sorrows in liquor.

[byu71]

He's ALIVE to me!

Thanks The word dead is especially scary to me at my tender age.

This is not directed to you as I didn't hear you say this. I find a comment that the women who believe in the current status quo are essentially brain washed dupes to be as offensive as my comment about the professor. A difference of opinion can come from two well informed thoughtful people. Thus I can see both points of view. If the church were a democracy I would vote women could have the Priesthood. It wouldn't be high on my priority list because it isn't high on the priority list of the women I associate with. If it is with women with whom others associate with I can accept why it would be important to them.