Wear Pants to Church Day

[pellegrino]

Personally I'd love for women to get the priesthood. Then they could have my calling and everything that goes with it. I am sure many could do a much better job than I do anyway.

If the church changes some day in this regard, I wonder how long it will take for those that bitched about inequality to start bitching about their callings like I am. But I know that's not the point and what matters is that everyone can equally bitch.

it won't be like that, at least not in our life. I could foresee a situation where women received priesthood that would be relative to women's roles, kind of like when it was in the 19th century and early 20th century.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Personally I'd love for women to get the priesthood. Then they could have my calling and everything that goes with it. I am sure many could do a much better job than I do anyway.

If the church changes some day in this regard, I wonder how long it will take for those that bitched about inequality to start bitching about their callings like I am. But I know that's not the point and what matters is that everyone can equally bitch.

"They are better off without it." In other words, the same argument made by Randy Bott recently.

[Mrs. Funk]

it won't be like that, at least not in our life. I could foresee a situation where women received priesthood that would be relative to women's roles, kind of like when it was in the 19th century and early 20th century.

I know many of the women in the group care less or don't care about administrative functions of the priesthood but wish to give blessings, participate in blessing their children, &c. We certainly have historical precedent for these things, as you point out.

[Indy Coug]

"They are better off without it." In other words, the same argument made by Randy Bott recently.

No, I think Surfah is saying that HE is better off without it. Maybe the women will be better off with it and that makes it one big effing win/win.

[Surfah]

it won't be like that, at least not in our life. I could foresee a situation where women received priesthood that would be relative to women's roles, kind of like when it was in the 19th century and early 20th century.

FTR, I don't think the Church will ever change its position and give women the priesthood.

[Katy Lied]

Our ward financial clerk has sketchy number abilities at best, and is often gone for job reasons. Whereas we have a couple of woman CFOs in the ward who would be great.

[DrumNFeather]

FTR, I don't think the Church will ever change its position and give women the priesthood.

Which means that we need some trailblazers here. Time for all the vocally critical men in this thread to ordain their wives to the priesthood. Why wait for the church?

[Northwestcoug]

It's been more than one unit. It's been more than one stake. It's been more than one state.

You've been lucky. It is certainly not the norm.

[byu71]

If I'm being honest I think most women are better off without all that anyway so don't take the above as something I am advocating for. But that is what I had in mind when I was talking about modest proposals.

OK, I thought by modest proposals you meant social or culture things like, dress pants, length of skirt, number of ear rings, tatoo's and the like which I consider really irrelevant stuff. It becomes relevant when certain more fundamentally oriented members wish to assert their "fundamentalist" views on others. I would like to see that stuff knocked down.

As far as SS President, since I haven't gone to SS in 30 years, I don't get why anyone would want to be SS President.

[Pelado]

Personally I'd love for women to get the priesthood. Then they could have my calling and everything that goes with it. I am sure many could do a much better job than I do anyway.

If the church changes some day in this regard, I wonder how long it will take for those that bitched about inequality to start bitching about their callings like I am. But I know that's not the point and what matters is that everyone can equally bitch.

My experience has taught me that the priesthood is not a prerequisite for women bitching about callings.

[pellegrino]

Our ward had people from all (and I mean ALL) walks of life and in my experience, people were very accepting of each other. As to whether she got any responses specifically about making pointed remarks at the pulpit, I have no idea.

I will tell you it's difficult to narrow your field of vision to above the shoulders when you're sitting from 50 feet away.

you were checking her out?

[Harry Tic]

Is activism really the best or most appropriate way to go about doing this? It's a church, not a democracy or a social club.

There are all sorts of things about church that bother (and sometimes negatively impact) me, but how I handle it is by choosing not to get that worked up about it.

Ironically, I think GBH sort of opened the door to this when he said (in his Mike Wallace interview?) that he hadn't seen any real demand from women for change (others can feel free to correct my paraphrase). That sounds like a tacit invitation to indicate one's discontent if one thinks the time has come for a policy to be changed. Of course one can nitpick about where the line is between "activism" and taking the initiative on a grassroots level.

Appearances notwithstanding, the church has a long history of appropriating grassroots movements for change that are initiated on the bottom. The notion of top-down revelation is pretty much a caricature.

[DrumNFeather]

OK, I thought by modest proposals you meant social or culture things like, dress pants, length of skirt, number of ear rings, tatoo's and the like which I consider really irrelevant stuff. It becomes relevant when certain more fundamentally oriented members wish to assert their "fundamentalist" views on others. I would like to see that stuff knocked down.

As far as SS President, since I haven't gone to SS in 30 years, I don't get why anyone would want to be SS President.

Plus, they're starting to remove the bells from the new buildings, so the allure of being the bell ringer is going away. Nothing even to aspire to anymore.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ironically, I think GBH sort of opened the door to this when he said (in his Mike Wallace interview?) that he hadn't seen any real demand from women for change (others can feel free to correct my paraphrase). That sounds like a tacit invitation to indicate one's discontent if one thinks the time for a policy to be changed. Of course one can nitpick about where the line is between "activism" and taking the initiative on a grassroots level.

Appearances notwithstanding, the church has a long history of appropriating grassroots movements for change that are initiated on the bottom. The notion of top-down revelation is pretty much a caricature.

Full quote from interview with David Ransom:

DR: At present women are not allowed to be priests in your Church. Why is that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: That’s right, because the Lord has put it that way. Now women have a very prominent place in this Church. They have there own organisation. Probably the largest women’s organisation in the world of 3.7 million members. And the women of that organisation sit on Boards. Our Board of Education things of that kind. They counsel with us. We counsel together. They bring in insight that we very much appreciate and they have this tremendous organisation of the world where they grow and if you ask them they’ll say we’re happy and we’re satisfied.

DR: They all say that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. All except a oh you’ll find a little handful one or two here and there, but in 10 million members you expect that.

DR: You say the Lord has put it that way. What do you mean by that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I mean that’s a part of His programme. Of course it is, yes.

DR: Is it possible that the rules could change in the future as the rules are on Blacks?

Gordon B. Hinckley: He could change them yes. If He were to change them that’s the only way it would happen.

DR: So you’d have to get a revelation?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. But there’s no agitation for that. We don’t find it. Our women are happy. They’re satisfied. These bright, able, wonderful women who administer their own organisation are very happy. Ask them. Ask my wife.

[byu71]

Ironically, I think GBH sort of opened the door to this when he said (in his Mike Wallace interview?) that he hadn't seen any real demand from women for change (others can feel free to correct my paraphrase). That sounds like a tacit invitation to indicate one's discontent if one thinks the time for a policy to be changed. Of course one can nitpick about where the line is between "activism" and taking the initiative on a grass-roots level.

Appearances notwithstanding, the church has a long history of appropriating grassroots movements for change that are initiated on the bottom. The notion of top-down revelation is pretty much a caricature.

I think he said it in the same vein the BYU spokesperson said there hadn't been caffeinated beverages on campus because there wasn't much demand.

If it is a based on demand thing, I wish more single people would unite and demand to be able to have sex outside of marriage.