Wear Pants to Church Day

[Goatnapper'96]

Just reading the commentary on cougarboard this morning leaves me to think that many men would have a serious challenge of their testimonies when being presided over by a woman.

Sort of reminds me of a cartoon that I saw of two sister missionaries (older, more mature, better put together) standing next to two elders (young, sloppy, and undignified) with one of the elders saying, "Sisters, respect my priesthood authority." (Which of course can't be read without using a South Park voice.)

When I was travelling from SLC to England for my mission we had a missionary who had never been to an airport before, or perhaps out of the state of Utah. His companion was a rather large and jovial fellow. Our flight into Heathrow left us very little time to catch our connecting flight into Coventry. I was moving 'em out like I was a DI and while we were moving at the double time to the gate to catch our flight to Coventry, I stopped to count heads and came up one head less than I should have been. I told all to find their comps and then I noticed that the the large jovial fellow was without a comp. I knew I would have to go back and find his lost comp so I looked at one of the sisters and told her she was in charge and to keep everyone together in a group until I returned with our lost sheep. I found the kid underneath the TV monitors that told him what gate his connecting flight was literally shaking and crying. I gathered him into my loving bosom and gently ushered him to the proper gate while I lovingly called him a stringpulling pussy as he mumbled about my return being an answer to his prayers - I have rarely been an answer to anyone's prayers so that would have been a good journal entry had I been the journal keeping sort. Long story short we missed the flight and I sat at the gate waiting for the next one one of the young Elders looks at me, and by this time I had been on planes and in airports for a day or so, and says: "Elder Goatnapper, why didn't you have a priesthood holder take charge?" I responded something along the lines of Dan Akroyd's response as a drunk santa in "Trading Places." "Bllllaaahhhhhhhh!"

So perhaps why I can't get on board with all this stringpulling about the man keeping the womenfolk down is I have long been a liberated man! Hear me roar!

[kccougar]

Yeah, I've never been part of a PEC that has the RS president attend. I've heard of bishops that have her attend, though. Maybe they're all part of Indy's ward!

Every PEC I have been a part of has included the RS President.

[FMCoug]

Yeah, I've never been part of a PEC that has the RS president attend. I've heard of bishops that have her attend, though. Maybe they're all part of Indy's ward!

I've been in one ward like this. When a new Bishop was called, he stopped having her come as it was "inappropriate." I was in charge of getting Sac. Meeting Prayers and was also directed that the opening prayer should always be a priesthood holder.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Here's an interesting wedgies poll on the Daily Herald site.



The question is, "Is it appropriate for women to wear pants to church?" I question that people's response was to the actual question but more so to the protest in general. But assuming that the first is at least somewhat accurate, I find these results shocking.

[kccougar]

I know many of the women in the group care less or don't care about administrative functions of the priesthood but wish to give blessings, participate in blessing their children, &c. We certainly have historical precedent for these things, as you point out.

They want to pick and choose the "good" parts?

[Indy Coug]

Here's an interesting wedgies poll on the Daily Herald site.



The question is, "Is it appropriate for women to wear pants to church?" I question that people's response was to the actual question but more so to the protest in general. But assuming that the first is at least somewhat accurate, I find these results shocking.

That poll is unreliable because of the context of why it's being asked. My guess is that it would still be over 50% No if most of the response is coming from Utah County

[Harry Tic]

Every PEC I have been a part of has included the RS President.

Either (A) you are confusing Ward Council and PEC; (B) all the units you have attended are outliers; or (C) you haven't been to any PEC meetings.

Any one of those is logically possible.

[byu71]

Here's an interesting wedgies poll on the Daily Herald site.



The question is, "Is it appropriate for women to wear pants to church?" I question that people's response was to the actual question but more so to the protest in general. But assuming that the first is at least somewhat accurate, I find these results shocking.

Isn't the Provo Herald in the vicinity of BYU and Utah County. What is shocking is 20% voting it is OK.

Take the poll in SLC or amongst mormons not in Utah. Heck, I will bet in Utah County a majority of those polled believe the missionary position is the only moral way to have sex.

[kccougar]

Either (A) you are confusing Ward Council and PEC; (B) all the units you have attended are outliers; or (C) you haven't been to any PEC meetings.

Any one of those is logically possible.

A. I know what the Priesthood Executive Council is.

B. Could be true, but it has been my experience nonetheless. I've attended PEC in four wards in four states. Maybe yours is the outlier.

C. The last time I regularly attended PEC we held it 3 weeks/month. Once a month we followed PEC immediately with Ward Council, which was when the Primary Pres and YW President, among others, joined the RS Pres (and her counselors!) who were already present, having just attended PEC. Yes, that's right. We had (gasp) three women attend PEC each week.

[Sullyute]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug
Everyone knows SS President is a crap job. If women were allowed to hold it, it would be viewed as a patronizing "concession", later if not sooner.

I agree - I think if that were the only thing it would be worse than nothing.

I disagree. Any step toward equality is a step forward. Will is satisfy those seeking change? No. Should it satisfy them? No. But it is a step forward. Maybe if we actually put woman in there they might actually make it a real calling instead of the crap calling it is now.

I will also be wearing purple on Sunday. :thumbsup:

PS. 71 is killing it in this thread. I cannot stop laughing when I read his posts.

[Pelado]

Isn't the Provo Herald in the vicinity of BYU and Utah County. What is shocking is 20% voting it is OK.

Take the poll in SLC or amongst mormons not in Utah. Heck, I will bet in Utah Clackamas County a majority of those polled believe the missionary position is the only moral way to have sex.

FIFY

[Harry Tic]

A. I know what the Priesthood Executive Council is.

B. Could be true, but it has been my experience nonetheless. I've attended PEC in four wards in four states. Maybe yours is the outlier.

C. The last time I regularly attended PEC we held it 3 weeks/month. Once a month we followed PEC immediately with Ward Council, which was when the Primary Pres and YW President, among others, joined the RS Pres (and her counselors!) who were already present, having just attended PEC. Yes, that's right. We had (gasp) three women attend PEC each week.

Not doubting your good faith, kccoug. But here's the text from the current CHOI:

"The ward priesthood executive committee (PEC) includes the bishopric, ward clerk, ward executive secretary, high priests group leader, elders quorum president, ward mission leader, and Young Men president.

The PEC meets regularly to consider priesthood matters. Generally, the PEC need not consider matters that will be discussed by the ward council. However, it may be beneficial for the PEC to preview some matters that will be on the ward council’s agenda. For convenience, the PEC could meet just before the ward council meeting.

"As needed, the bishop may invite the Relief Society president to attend some ward PEC meetings to discuss confidential welfare matters and to coordinate home teaching and visiting teaching assignments."

I would be astonished if what is simply permitted here ("as needed") were always or even generally practiced in most PECs in most units throughout the Church. I know that it has occasionally happened in my units, but it's rare.

[Northwestcoug]

Every PEC I have been a part of has included the RS President.

Good for your PECs. But I still think yours and Indy's experiences are outliers.

I've been in one ward like this. When a new Bishop was called, he stopped having her come as it was "inappropriate." I was in charge of getting Sac. Meeting Prayers and was also directed that the opening prayer should always be a priesthood holder.

The same thing happened to me. The breaking point was when a convert woman asked if she could give the opening prayer. I told her no, and she asked why not. I then looked in the CHOI and found no prayer rule. The bishopric was duly chastened.

[Northwestcoug]

As long as we're documenting it, the RS president was never a regular member in the 5 PEC's I've been a part of. I do remember her being invited once, I believe to coordinate Christmas welfare plans.

[Harry Tic]

I've been in one ward like this. When a new Bishop was called, he stopped having her come as it was "inappropriate."

I wish some ambitious linguistic anthropologist would study the semantics of the word "(in)appropriate" in LDS culture. We tend to use the word in very idiosyncratic, not to say inappropriate, ways.