Ward Boundaries Changed

[SoonerCoug]

Not only did God tell him to separate, David said the pattern was not new saying God told Lehi to leave the Jerusalem church and Alma, Mormon, Moroni, the Three Nephites, etc.

Why is it difficult to grasp? God said the entire Mormon Church was cursed for not doing what the Holy Book of Mormon says, so why wouldn't you want to get out from that curse?

Do you descend from a long line of Whitmerites or Church of Christ Temple Lotters? In other words, do you descend from other crazy people? My ancestors were crazy at some point (1830s-1890s), but I think they were almost completely normal by the mid-20th century.

[Pheidippides]

Not only did God tell him to separate, David said the pattern was not new saying God told Lehi to leave the Jerusalem church and Alma, Mormon, Moroni, the Three Nephites, etc.

Why is it difficult to grasp? God said the entire Mormon Church was cursed for not doing what the Holy Book of Mormon says, so why wouldn't you want to get out from that curse?

DWhit, you have a fundamental problem here, which is this: half of us don't believe the BOM to be anything other than a nifty footnote to the larger study of the Great Awakening in New England, mark II, and the rest of us think you are a nutball apostate who has more in common with Brian David Mitchell than the rest of the church at large. William Law is probably the better comparison, but I digress.

My point is that you are fighting a battle here on two fronts: you have to convince half of us that what we've believed in for years is bunk because JS was a fallen prophet, and you have to convince the rest of us that the BOM is true in the first place. I will leave it to you to figure out who is in what group.

So far you've not done a very good job of giving either side any reason to believe your anything more than said nutball (apostate). Just your so on this stuff is hardly persuasive, so perhaps you might want to start offering something more. You'll find, I think, that just about everybody who participates in The Foyer is exceptionally well versed in historical matters, and will gladly consider new, properly supported viewpoints.

[DWhitmer]

My point is that you are fighting a battle here on two fronts: you have to convince half of us that what we've believed in for years is bunk because JS was a fallen prophet, and you have to convince the rest of us that the BOM is true in the first place. I will leave it to you to figure out who is in what group.

So far you've not done a very good job of giving either side any reason to believe your anything more than said nutball (apostate). Just your so on this stuff is hardly persuasive, so perhaps you might want to start offering something more. You'll find, I think, that just about everybody who participates in The Foyer is exceptionally well versed in historical matters, and will gladly consider new, properly supported viewpoints.

BoM is True = Mormon Church Apostate = You're Correct

[Pheidippides]

BoM is True = Mormon Church Apostate = You're Correct

I can't help you. Nutball it is.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I'm appreciating that all of this is happening in the "Ward Boundaries Changed" thread.

It's poetic.

Clearly David Whitmer needs a dutiful home teacher who will read the Ensign to him. Will someone volunteer, or should I make an assignment?

[DWhitmer]

I can't help you. Nutball it is.

I know it's the same old story, someone who started a church wants it to be served all the days of your life so they add all sorts of requirements like:

1. Every child who turns eight must become members of the church which membership is obtained by being baptized "for the remission of sins." [Conflict of interest I know. Most churches do not base membership on the baptism for the remission of sins.]

2. Endowment #1 - Got to be able to pass the Temple Interview to get it which includes "Do you drink coffee or tea?" Imagine a God who would keep you out of his presence for Green Tea, you know, the one that's in most antioxidant formulas now.

3. Enowment #2 - Did you know there is yet a "Second" endowment? Only a few mission presidents on up know this. And you thought you were in the "inner group" by making it through the temple.

Compare the servitude to a church to do all that and yet not a single item is found in the book J.Smith was called to bring forth. David Whitmer said two revealing things:

1. The Book carries conviction with it.

2. The evil one does not want you to follow it.

The gospel in the Holy Book of Mormon is so simple nearly every Protestant church could cling to it and not change a single thing other than to stop the baptism of children - if they were doing so.

Now, pray tell, who's the nut job?

[Pheidippides]

I know it's the same old story, someone who started a church wants it to be served all the days of your life so they add all sorts of requirements like:

1. Every child who turns eight must become members of the church which membership is obtained by being baptized "for the remission of sins." [Conflict of interest I know. Most churches do not base membership on the baptism for the remission of sins.]

2. Endowment #1 - Got to be able to pass the Temple Interview to get it which includes "Do you drink coffee or tea?" Imagine a God who would keep you out of his presence for Green Tea, you know, the one that's in most antioxidant formulas now.

3. Enowment #2 - Did you know there is yet a "Second" endowment? Only a few mission presidents on up know this. And you thought you were in the "inner group" by making it through the temple.

Compare the servitude to a church to do all that and yet not a single item is found in the book J.Smith was called to bring forth. David Whitmer said two revealing things:

1. The Book carries conviction with it.

2. The evil one does not want you to follow it.

The gospel in the Holy Book of Mormon is so simple nearly every Protestant church could cling to it and not change a single thing other than to stop the baptism of children - if they were doing so.

Now, pray tell, who's the nut job?

Let me make this very simple: why should I or anybody else here believe anything you, David Whitmer, or anybody else has to say on the matter. Troll is right. Nutjob is probable.

[DWhitmer]

Let me make this very simple: why should I or anybody else here believe anything you, David Whitmer, or anybody else has to say on the matter. Troll is right. Nutjob is probable.

If you are not able to suspend disbelief then it's impossible. If on the other hand you did testify of the Holy Book of Mormon and have now disavowed those testimonies, I suggest you trust your former self.

[Viking]

If you are not able to suspend disbelief then it's impossible. If on the other hand you did testify of the Holy Book of Mormon and have now disavowed those testimonies, I suggest you trust your former self.

This entire thread is bullshit. Started with this, which turns out to be a total lie:

The letter from our Stke Pres. said "to better serve our members." Truth is, ward attendance has tanked and it's getting embarrassing, so they are "spreading the members" by redrawing boundaries.

Has anyone else experienced this of late?

Then we get the "holy book of mormon" and a dude who claims to follow David Whitmer. My guess is it's a dupe account from a previously banned member or a truly crazy ass guy trolling here. Either way, this is a waste of time.

Does the holy book of mormon talk about lying?

[DWhitmer]

Then we get the "holy book of mormon" and a dude who claims to follow David Whitmer. My guess is it's a dupe account from a previously banned member or a truly crazy ass guy trolling here. Either way, this is a waste of time.

Does the holy book of mormon talk about lying?

What gives? There is great latitude allowed here, no?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Knock it off, Viking.

[Viking]

Knock it off, Viking.

This guy is a liar and a loser. You knock it off and quit being a wuss

[DWhitmer]

This guy is a liar and a loser. You knock it off and quit being a wuss

Since i'm a newbie, inform what nerve I hit on and I'll try to avoid doing it again, really.

[Viking]

Since i'm a newbie, inform what nerve I hit on and I'll try to avoid doing it again, really.

The "hey our ward boundaries changed" and then it turns out you're not mormon nerve. Come straight, and come strong.

I'm a non-member (ex) and I would never even think to pull something that sophomoric.

[DWhitmer]

The "hey our ward boundaries changed" and then it turns out you're not mormon nerve. Come straight, and come strong.

I'm a non-member (ex) and I would never even think to pull something that sophomoric.

I apologize; you're right. It was not my intention to mislead here. The truth is however, that a member of "our" family who is still a member did receive a letter as described.